christians say that god gave his only child to sacrifice for the rest of us...but is that so??

Question

i mean, he had the child (jesus) just to have him sacrificed, he "created" him to make him suffer. It is not that jesus was living with him in heaven and he decided to sacrifice him out of love for humanity, he made a plan and then he used mary to deliver his creation who will end up in a cross...
So why do christians say god gave christ to die for our sins, the truth is he created jesus for the purpose of die as a sacrifice

and where is jesus in the old testament then?

Answer 1

Jesus ALWAYS exsisted,He is NOT created

Answer 2

Ancient man looked around the universe and realized there was a problem. All the universe was 'perfect' except for man. The heavenly bodies all moved perfectly like clockwork. The earth was in perfect balance, with every creature perfectly adapted to his environment. The only fly in the ointment was Man!

Man was emotional and selfish. He does stupid things without thinking about them. He tells lies, commits crimes, etc.

The idea was that God must be pretty disappointed with man! And the Bible is full of this. God created Adam and about the first thing Adam did was just what God told him not to. He and Eve had kids and one killed another of them! God decided to wipe out humanity and start over, but rather than create a new specie, he re-seeds the earth with six individuals, and nothing really changes.

So there's this conflict here, this tension to be overcome in theology. How can we get over our wicked 'human nature' and re-connect with God and fit into the universe? How can we be REDEEMED!

This is what almost every religion is about! Even if you don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins (and I don't) you have to admit it's an excellent device for achieving the desired goal, that bridge between human imperfection and the perfection of the universe.

The ancient Jews had a wonderful symbology about this. They all raised sheep and the OT is full of sheep-ranching analogies and figures of speech. Every year the ewes would have lambs. Some of the ewes would die in childbirth (lamb-birth?) and some of the new lambs also would die. So ranchers would try to match up the motherless lambs with the childless ewes. But this didn't work because a ewe could smell a lamb and tell it wasn't hers. So someone discovered that if you cut open the dead little lamb and smeared a little of its blood on another lamb, the mother of the dead lamb would adopt the other lamb. So Jesus is called 'the lamb of God'! His blood smeared on us helps God accept us as his own. Even in just a symbolic/literary sense, I think that's pretty cool!

Answer 3

Just stop yourself and think for a minute:

Jesus and God are the same. Jesus is a sort of 'facet' of God.
He didn't come to earth against his will. He emptied himself to take on the form of a man. (Philippians 2)

And so we have certain things to see in the Bible that tell us of this:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

If you can't see what that is saying, then I have no idea what can be said to you. You don't have to agree with it, but I didn't make it up. You just need to really see what it says.

I won't try to convert you, I only try to bring the word of God to people who might understand. So I suppose you will just ask yourself. I really don't need to know.

EDIT: Where is Jesus in the Old Testament? There is so very much to say, and I am not exaggerating. But I will give you a few verses that will show him:
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

Why is the statement saying that God is calling someone else God? ( therefore God, your God)
And who are 'your companions'?

Answer 4

Have you ever heard of the trinity? God the Father, God the Son , and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same being. Jesus is a part of God, he always existed. Jesus indeed sacrificed himself for each and every person on this earth because he is God.

Answer 5

Jesus is God
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Mary is the mother of God

Answer 6

You are so wrong, Jesus has been with the Father from the beginning. Genesis 1:26 "... Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness ..."

Answer 7

If Christians are right, there is everything to gain. If wrong, they've lost nothing.