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How many of you who are on here blasting the illegals for coming here are familiar with the process to come here legally? How many of you are aware that many of the illegals coming here are at or way below poverty level, and are coming here just to survive?
If you put one and one together, that leaves me with a question...Okay, how exactly is someone living well below poverty level EVER supposed to be able to afford the cost of coming here legally, what with all the fees? Basically we might as well say "Sure, we want legal immigrants, but we only want the ones with a decent amount of money..." That is not the ones that need to come here the most, so I am curious what any of you out there honestly think could be done to help the illegals that have nothing be able to come here legally for work?

To add to my post, my boyfriend had to pay well in excess of $2,000 to come here legally on a temporary basis....How do you think he got the money to do that? By coming here illegally before and making the necessary money to come here legally that couldn't be made back at home. I just wonder how many illegals turned legals have had to do it that way? Isn't there something better we could do for this process?

Jay O-I hear what you are saying, and while I do not presently have any additional people living in my house, I think you would be surprised at the number of Americans I have helped out previously, with money, a place to stay in my own home, food, child care, lots of things. Despite some people's beliefs, I do care about "my own" as well...I guess I just consider my own to be the human race, not just people born here.

I am proud to say that I have helped people whenever I could, I don't think that makes me a "band-aid" to society's problems. I think it just takes all people one step closer to equality for the human race.

Do you realize how difficult it would be to reform a country when that country's leaders have all the money, resources, and weapons and you have less than nothing? It takes resources to revolt against a government, and I think given enough time that may come to pass in Mexico and many other oppressed countries....However, should families and children just suffer and die in the meantime if there are other options available? For the poster who said they shouldn't have children, let me ask you this: If you don't want to have children, all you have to do is go to the doctor and get put on birth control, or go to the store and buy condoms, whatever the case may be...What would happen if you couldn't do that?

Anon-I never said quite a few couldn't handle the legal process....What I said was that the people who need to be here the most for work cannot afford it.

Mrs. Martian-I agree with some of your post...I strongly disagree with the people who come here demanding state benefits, and all kinds of assistance they are not entitled to. What I am referring to here though, is those people who just come here to work, not freeload, deal drugs, commit crimes, etc. Despite popular belief, there are a lot of people who come here from Mexico and other countries, who are not here taking undeserved benefits, or demanding rights they are not entitled to. Not every illegal immigrant is abusing the system, many are just here trying to survive, and help their families survive. I think those people who are not freeloading off America should be able to stay, work, pay taxes without having to pay a small fortune to do so.

Tnfarmgirl-No, abstinence doesn't cost a dime...I am assuming from your name on here that you are from Tennessee...Let me ask you something, being from the Eastern KY area myself, I have spent a lot of time in Eastern TN as well....How many people in those areas cannot afford the children they have, but didn't "keep their pants on" as you suggest? And they are Americans, and have birth control options readily available to them at no cost!! And don't even try to lie to me about it, I've lived there and KNOW how many families there are that can't afford their kids, are totally living off the state, and are totally capable of working but don't have to because the state hands them everything...You all want to talk about burdens on society, look a little closer at your native people as well as illegal immigrants.

Mamapeapod-Good well thought out post...I just want to clarify though that I am NOT suggesting we continue to give free benefits to illegal aliens..I am not in favor of that at all, what I am wanting to see happen is an easier way to make these people be a part of the system, and be paying taxes into this country.

Note-As much as some of these Mexican guys work around here, if we made it to where they could be here legally easier and faster, our country would get a hell of a lot of taxes from them...Doesn't that benefit America?

I keep hearing how being in this country is a privelege, not a right...We are not some golden children who are in some way special and superior to other countries...We had the luck of the draw to be born here, and could just as easily have been born in some third world country ourselves. It's a privelege for any of us to be here, not a right. Only the legal system deems it a right, but if you really think about it, you are just as priveleged to be here as anyone else.

onacrusade-No, I would not sing a different tune on my opinion, my opinion is solid and without doubt. As a matter of fact, there are people from other countries and Americans both who have taken jobs I have had for less pay. There are also people who have done the exact same job as me, and gotten paid significantly more than me simply because they could speak a second language. Do you hear me complaining, like I am someone more special than them and should be entitled to things before them?
I said it before, I will say it again: I just had the good fortune to be born here, I don't think that makes me entitled to any more rights than the next person, I am appreciative that I live in a country where I have never had to suffer the way other countries do. Our country was founded on the belief that everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When did it become only people who had the good luck to be born here who deserved these basic human rights?

amazonprincess-This is an assumption that this would happen....a generalization, if you will. No, I don't think it would be all butterflies and rainbows...I don't think native born Americans are all butterflies and rainbows either...What I am saying is let them be here to work and pay taxes if they want to, legally. Some will abuse the system, some will not. But Americans are the EXACT same way anyways...Some of us are working our asses off and paying taxes, while some sponge off the system and never work a day in their life, and it balanced out somewhere for Americans all along...I have no reason to believe it would be any different with a legal Mexican population in America, some will work their asses off and pay into the system, some will sponge. The basic natures of large groups of people is essentially the same, with a balance of things, in any nationality.

onacrusade-Unskilled and uneducated? You just said your husband works construction, as do many people from Mexico...Do you consider your husband to be unskilled? Like it or not, there are a lot of low level labor jobs (not construction) that many Americans consider themselves to be too educated and skilled for. It is a necessity for our country to have people in many levels of jobs, from the lowest forms of labor to the highest level college professors, doctors, whatever. Just because someone does not hold a college degree, or is capable of performing brain surgery does not mean they have no valuable knowledge or skills. In fact, many immigrants and Americans both perform valuable services that are traditionally considered to be jobs for the "uneducated and unskilled", but what would our country do without them? Every job performed is useful if it keeps our country going.

Jay O-I am familiar with the harsh immigration policies in place in Mexico, as I am also familiar with the lesser rights there. Mexico is not nearly as hospitable to us as we are to them, but you know what-They also are not hospitable to their own people, which is why so many of them want to escape. I am not bashing our country, I am asking why we want to complain that people are here tax free, instead of making it easier for them to be here paying into the system. One poster commented actions speak louder than words..I agree, we want to complain that there are people here who aren't paying into the system, but we don't want to DO anything about it other than just deport them. If the real issue at hand is we want them to pay taxes and abide by all the same laws as us, I am all for that-Why do we not make it easier to do that? The extra taxes would benefit us far more than paying for mass deportation. But maybe that is not the real issue for some people, it's just more PC to say?

Not every Mexican comes here by way of a coyote...The ones that do can afford to come here legally, I have no sympathy for them. My questions pertain only to the people who cannot afford to come here legally or via coyote, whatever.

Answer 1

You tell those fools. They don't know much, they assume, and accuse, and they appear ignorant.

Answer 2

The problem with illegal immigration has to be fixed on two levels. The first level is the one that gets all of the attention and that is stopping the illegals from coming here. The second part should be changing the system so that it is easier for people who want to immigrate to the US to come here. If passports can be given out in a week, gun permits take a couple days and driver's licences or voter cards are given instantly, why does it take years for a person to get a work visa?

If illegal immigration was stopped and there really are jobs that "Americans won't do", companies would help people who want to immigrate by offering jobs and relocation benefits. It would be like paying a signing bonus.

There are some things that I think should be changed with immigration. All immigrants should be required to become a citizen within a certain amount of years or leave the country. This time frame should be relatively short like 5 years. This would stop the people that want to come here, make money to send to other countries, then leave and retire in luxury in a country that wouldn't support them. All immigrants would be required to learn to speak and read English before becoming a citizen. This would help in their assimilation into society. The government on all levels should not print any materials in languages other than English except immigration papers. This simply promotes a culture where no one from another country ever has to learn English and helps keep immigrants at a lower economic status. Any immigrant who commits a crime should be immediately deported. Being born in the US should not automatically make a person a citizen but any minor children of a person who becomes a citizen should become a citizen. This would stop the people from coming to the US illegally to have a child with the hopes that they will be allowed to stay.

The first step should be to announce a new law that anyone caught as an illegal alien will forever be denied citizenship, that the government will not be able to provide any illegal with any government benefits including education, medicine, or food and deportation of illegals will be strickly enforced.

Second give all illegals 30 days to leave the country.

Third give preference to people who want to legally immigrate with the help of a business sponsor. This will allow businesses to bring back the same workers and allow the people who really only want to come to the US to work to be able to do it legally. They also would be allowed to bring their immediate family now and could bring certain other relatives after they become citizens provided they could support them.

Answer 3

There are many Americans who are under the poverty level, too! We are not responsible for every human being that is poor! Why do we have to come up with a way for illegals to come here? Do you want to live in a third world country? I do a lot of things for people that need my help but I am not going to support 12 to 20 million illegals because they say I should. You need to really think this over, they are not innocent babes in the woods, they are littering, defecating and urinating our desert lands into a sess pool. Do you have the millions that it is going to take the private landowners, reservations and National Wildlife reserves need to clean this up? If not, then you are the only one who is going to lose sleep over illegal aliens and you should be thinking of how to help your country to clean up after these people!

Answer 4

Maybe if the wealthy countries helped the poor countries with health care, schools, job creation, housing in their own countries this would help slow down the illegals coming into this country.
In the EU, they have the same problem. Many immigrants come to UK to get free housing, free social benefits, child benefit , free medical help, free schooling, and many believe it is their 'right to access' such benefits. But why? they didn't pay taxes, they didn't pay in every monthly with their wage to the social system?

A few years ago one EU country joined and the airline companies and bus companies were offering one way tickets to the UK from that country for about $16. They sure didn't buy the tickets to go on vacation. Many town could not cope with the influx of immgrants and the schools, housing could not cope. Some towns in the UK refused to take any immgrants and many UK people who had been waiting years for social housing were put aside for housing and the immgrants put in front of them on the wait list. Is that fair?

Basically the system can not cope with so many people who have not put into the system with taxes, it is estimated in the UK the social benefit system will not be able to cope in about another 30 years as they will not be enough money to support all, and the system could well cease to existed. All because they are too many using the system. So, should we allow them to come here and take these benefits? no. We should help structure them homeland so they would not have to leave, that they could have a beneficial life in their homeland.

Answer 5

I really do not care if they have it bad there. If they are so desperate, they need to work to change their own country. It is their problem, not ours. In case you missed it, we have enough problems here without adding to it. Maybe the process to get here legally should be made a little easier, but we can't let everyone in. How many homeless people do you currently have living in your home? What? None? By your logic you should open your doors and feed all of the homeless. Do you now see the problem with illegal immigration?

Edit: I am glad that you have helped out. It is nice to be able to help others when you can. Tell me would you be so happy with the downtrodden if they broke into your house and just squatted there? Should you have the right to remove them then? Something tells me that if you would put this on a small scale to personally see the effects, you would not be so gung ho to open the borders and let them all rush in. Furthermore, I suggest you check out the policy in Mexico for illegal immigration. Seems that they are not as forgiving as we are. And you should really look into what rights you would have there if you legally moved there. I suggest that you educate yourself on these items and then maybe you would not be so quick to bash our great country.

Answer 6

Its all part of the cost of freedom. I don't blame anyone for wanting to come here but why should I pay to make their lives better? Illegals get everything free. I've known too many who lie about everything and get free medical, free food stamps, drive nicer cars than I do and have great jobs all at the same time and then they laugh at me and say I can't get what they have because I'm white. I know that there are very honest ones (illegals) who try to go by the letter of the law but the vast majority have this sense of entitlement about everything being handed to them. If it weren't for the bad attitude most of them have I wouldn't have negative feelings about the whole immigration issue. I don't owe law breakers anything as far as I'm concerned.

Answer 7

Sure, get in line. Let's face it with well over 1 million + entering this country illegally the social safety nets are collapsing. Hospitals, Law enforcement, public assistance,education etc; they are all at a breaking point. And a lot of the problems can be laid at the feet of the illegal immigrant.

No, everyone knows that most of them have no intention of harming the US. But they do so just by being here. So when you say that the cost is too high, I hope you realize that it is nowhere near enough to mitigate their impact upon American society.

Answer 8

Anything worth having is worth working for. They take the easy and illegal way out or in to this country. I think most of the people are upset because they come illegally and then demand the rights of a citizen. We are not responsible for all the troubled and poor of the world. It is not realistic to think we can take anyone who thinks they have to come here and do it illegally.

Answer 9

No civilized country needs to let every tom dick or harry that wants in this country in.
Entering this country is a PRIVILEGE- NOT A RIGHT

Immigration laws exist for the betterment of American society - to insure that people who are awarded the PRIVILEGE of entering this country are going to be productive additions to America.

No one has the RIGHT to better themselves on the backs of someone else in the case of illegal immigration it's on the backs of the American taxpayer.

Oh- last but not least- if you can't afford to feed you family because you can't find work- maybe just maybe you should have kept your pants on . Abstinence doesn't cost a dime.



ADD: Well, sunshine it makes my skin crawl to see Americans abuse the welfare system but you know what- at least they are citizens who are entitled ( God help) to their benefits even if the only reason they need them is because they are too damn lazy to breathe on their own.
Illegals drawing aid shouldn't even be an issue- they should not even be here. Remember the difference between right and privilege- an illegal has neither in this country but both in their homelands.

Answer 10

The U.S. is not a church or charitable organization. We already have enough citizens who need taxpayer help. Due to our nine trillion dollar national debt, we can’t afford to have 12 million unskilled, uneducated trespassers that don't even speak English costing the taxpayers billions more than they save business. The problem is exacerbated because the Catholic Church can’t afford to help them as much as they used to because the dioceses are paying for sticking it to the little guy.

Mexico is the fifth richest country in the world per capita. If you wish to improve the situation for these people, fight for the Mexican government and the elite to grant property rights and other important rights to them.

Fight for the future Martino Luther Rey to lead his people out of oppression.

Lobby for US citizens to fund large networks of private schools in Mexico. All of Mexico K-12 could be educated for less than it currently costs US citizens to educate the children of Mexican illegal immigrants. Our current return on that investment is close to zero.

Answer 11

There are numerous guest worker programs that don't cost a lot of money - and would have to cost less than a coyote.

And once again, this country takes in more legal immigrants than all other countries combined so quite a few can handle the legal process.

Where in the Constitution does it state that we are responsible for helping every poor country?