Interesting reading: Jesus was God, Jesus was the messiah, Jesus is coming back.?

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I recommend you read the website posted as it flows smoother. These below are excerpt from this website. From this I confirmed to myself that Jesus statements that he is God are also confirmed in the old testament. And that his mission was to die but he will return just as his statement are recorded in the new testament. This meshes very well the old testament with the new.
Any feed back on this is appreciated as I am interested in all your comments.
Below follow copied text from this web site listed below.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/comm_read.pl?book=Dan&chapter=9&verse=25&Comm=Comm%2Fmark_eastman%2Fmessiah%2Fsfm_07.html%235%40%40%40%40%409%26%7BMark+Eastman%26&Select.x=21&Select.y=8

"According to Wise and Tabor, the Qumran community believed that the Messiah would come once, "suffer initial defeat" but at a later time he would "ultimately triumph in the end of days." Although not stated explicitly, this sounds like two appearances of a single Messiah! One appearance in humility and one in glory!"
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The article goes on to state that there is abundant evidence from the Dead Sea Scrolls that the Messiah would in fact be both a ruling, reigning, and triumphant and yet a suffering rejected figure as well. On page 58 they state:

"Our Qumran text, 4Q521, is, astonishingly, quite close to this Christian concept of the Messiah. Our text speaks not only of a single Messianic figure...but it also describes him in extremely exalted terms, quite like the Christian view of Jesus as a cosmic agent. That there was, in fact, an expectation of a single Messianic figure at Qumran is really not so surprising. A reexamination of the Qumran literature on this subject leads one to question the two Messiah theory. As a matter of fact, only once in any Dead Sea Scroll text is the idea of two Messiahs stated unambiguously."[2]
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In another undisputed prophecy of the Messiah, Micah 5:2, we read:
"And you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, least among the clans of Judah, from you one shall come forth to rule Israel for me. One whose origin is from old, from ancient times."[1]

"The teacher of righteousness, frequently referred to in the Qumran documents, appears to be a Messiah figure of Davidic descent, who is connected by the writers at Qumran specifically with the figure written about in Daniel 9:25."

That is, there was the belief among the Qumran community that the Messiah would suffer initial defeat, but that he would ultimately triumph in the end of days." Finally, Wise and Tabor admit that the Qumran community believed that the Messiah would be "cut off" or killed as prophesied by Daniel's seventy weeks prophecy.
Even more astonishing than the fact that the Qumran community applied both veins of prophecy to a single Messiah, is the fact that they placed the suffering servant prophecies first, followed by the ruling and reigning prophecies. That is, the Qumran community apparently believed (based on biblical chronology) that the Messiah would come during their time, and that he would suffer initial defeat, be cut off (killed) only to return at a later

time in glory!
No wonder Wise and Tabor were compelled to state that the beliefs of the Qumran community point to a Messiah that "is thus much closer to the Christian Messiah."
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Isaiah 52:13-53:12, an undeniably Messianic passage, we see the two lines of prophecy united in a description of the same individual. In the Jewish Publication Society version of Isaiah 52:13, we read:
"Indeed, my servant shall prosper, be exalted and raise to great heights."
And yet, in the following verses, we read that this same servant is to be:

"...Despised and rejected by men a man of suffering, familiar with disease...But he was wounded because of our sins, crushed because of our iniquitiesyfor he was cut off from the land of the living through the sin of My people, who deserved the punishment...though he had done no injustice and spoken no falsehood...assuredly, I will give him the many as his portion, and he shall receive the multitude as his spoil. For he exposed himself to death and was numbered among the sinners, where as he bore the guilt of the many and made intercession for the sinners."
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In the book of Zechariah we find another Messianic prophecy in which the two veins are again united in the same individual.

"Rejoice greatly, fair Zion; raise a shout, fair Jerusalem. Low, your king is coming to you. He is victorious, triumphant, yet humble riding on a ***, on a donkey foaled by a she-***. He shall banish chariots from Ephraim and horses from Jerusalem; the warrior's bow shall be banished. He shall call on the nations to surrender and his rule shall extend from sea to sea and from ocean to lands end." (Zechariah 9:9-10, J. P. S. Version, 1985)
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Since, the Messiah's ruling and reigning mission must come after his rejection, suffering and death, is it logical that both of these veins of prophecy could be fulfilled in a single appearing of a single individual? The answer is obviously no. The Messiah could not come to the earth, be despised, be rejected, suffer and die, and yet rule and reign forever and ever in a single appearance. However, he could accomplish this by appearing twice! In fact, if there is only one Messiah (as the evidence from scripture and the Dead Sea Scrolls show

us) he must accomplish these two destinies in two appearances!
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"I will return again to my place till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek my face; in their affliction they will diligently seek me. Come and let us return to the Lord; for he has torn but he will heal us; he has stricken but he will bind us up. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live in his sight."[5]
In this remarkable prophecy, we see a rather peculiar statement by God. He states, "I will return again to my place till they acknowledge their offense." What could this possibly mean? Where is God returning from?

us) he must accomplish these two destinies in two appearances!
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In the Bible we are taught that God is a spirit being whose dwelling place is in heaven. Yet, we are also taught that God is omnipresent, existing at all places at once. Prior to this passage, God had delivered a sharp rebuke to the Israelites for their unfaithfulness. God then proceeds to declare that because of their unfaithfulness, "I will return to my place till they acknowledge their offense."
The context of this scripture seems to indicate that God himself visited planet earth at a finite point in time and then returned to his place! The passage then implies that God would return to the people after they acknowledge their offense.

This, however, presents an interesting problem. In order for God to return to his place (heaven) he would have to first leave it. It is clear that God, in his omnipresent state, couldn't really leave heaven. However, if he manifested himself in a physical body (in the person of the Messiah) he could leave and "return to [his] place," only to return again a second time to the people.

edit to captain athiesm and jason h: Its easy to tell which people don't read the articles and post their presumptions before they even consider. It might help if you realy studied this stuff.

Answer 1

It was good to read that the Qumran community thought Jesus was the Messiah or they were desperately trying to find out who Jesus was. I can see the thought of 2 Messiahs since the second coming will be entirely different from the first coming. And they did recognize all of the Messianic prophecies use the singular pronoun and only One Messiah.

Answer 2

there is largely one GOD and that tells the collision between those 2 religions. Islam and Christian. The Qur'an has basically a million version from the day of its existence interior the previous yet no longer for the Bible. The Qur'an has under no circumstances been replaced or rewritten with addition of any author. The Bible in different hand has been changing variations till now and extra by potential of particular authors to maintain up with the exchange of time. The Qur'an is the phrases of GOD Himself, hence can under no circumstances be challenged with the human recommendations and it suits by way of all circumstances inspite of what era are you in. That explains why it has under no circumstances been replaced. The Bible too in the previous replaced into the phrases of GOD yet considering the fact that that it quite is been replaced many circumstances, the reliability has been degraded despite the fact that it got here from the comparable GOD by using fact as i suggested in the previous, there is largely one God.

Answer 3

Jesus was the son of God, Jesus died on the cross and days later he was seen walking this earth again. He was a prophet and a great one.

Answer 4

Jesus was God, Jesus was the messiah?

Why is that in the past tense?

Answer 5

it meshes very well with previous religions too!
religious myths have been recycling
long before we starting recycling our physical garbage!

Answer 6

If you believe one fairy tale, it's certainly no great step to believe a different one.

Thanks, I'll stick to sanity over here...

Answer 7

all sons of noah nimrod sham ham japhat we all have one GOD WE ARE ALL BROTHER AND SISTERS FATHER ABERHAM ADAM AND EVE JESUS CHRIST CALLED US BROTHERS. luv dad me and my bible