How advanced would our technology be if?

Question

... if the church was still a political power?
Remember Vesalius, Galileo, Copernicus? Do you think we´d have gone to the moon? Do you think we´d have medicine? Anesthesia? Democracy?
Is it coincidental that the industrial revolution more or less coincides with the separation of church and state in many countries?
Christians say that everything produced by science is there because god put it in the heads of the researchers. Why hasn´t he done that 7,500 years ago in Catalhoyuk (turkey) or in Ur?
Why wait millenia and millions of people suffering from easy (today) to cure illnesses.
The church is moving with a low profile these days because its political power is best used in the shadows. In its heyday didn´t it bully, burned, tortured, emprisonned for life, caused horrendous wars? Wouldn´t it do the same if it had the chance?
Look at the countries that went back to fundamentalism, Do they thrive?
Is that the future that you want for your kids?
Is that god´s glory for you?

Answer 1

maybe if there was no church we would have been on saturn or lived to 200 now who knows how far we would be

Answer 2

It would be in the same place it is today. Man has increased his knowledge regardless of what those in authority say.

The Industrial Revolution had its start in England, a land where the State leader is the head of the Church.

Why didn't God put the ideas into the head of man before? Simple, they couldn't use the knowledge at that time. Algebra and Calculus probably could have been discovered by the Greeks, but what good would it have done for them to know it?

The Church is moving is with a low profile these days...? I don't think so it in the forefront of many movements. Those in the shadows are the ones who work behind the peoples backs to bring ideas and theories that could not be accepted by the people as a whole--homosexual marriage for example. This type of "backroom" plotting is a bigger threat to society than anything the Church has said and done.

The countries that went back to fundamentalism no longer thrive because of the oppression of the people by those in authority over them, not because of a Christian Church ideal.

By the way, democracy is not all it's made out to be. But that doesn't matter because America is a Republic. The Greeks had a truer democracy and they would often end up killing their brightest people because they made a lot of people made at them for what they said.

Answer 3

1) Christianity was never meant to be a political power. Jesus flatly rejected political power on several occasions.
2) When the "Church" had political power, it is clear that those in power abused it and did things that were not Christian. This can be demonstrated by comparing their actions with the principles found in the Bible.
3) Most of the great early scientists of Europe were Christian and were successful because they believed that the Creator was rational, logical, and orderly.
4) The most successful countries these days were at one time "Christian nations" or have been heavily influenced by Christian nations.
5) "Atheistic" regimes have not done well with the human rights record--Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. have killed hundreds of millions of people.
6) Societies that believe in the Judeo-Christian view of God and people have a high view of humanity (because we are created in the image of God) and tolerance, freedom, and human dignity tend to exist.
7) Supposedly the Church were centers of learning throughout the "Dark Ages" and led to the widespread founding of institutions such as universities and hospitals.
8) Most Christians do not advocate for a theocracy or some Christian version of sharia law--we would like a society in which people are decent to each other, educated, and one in which ideas can be freely conveyed (such as the gospel).
9) People can differ on aethetic matters, but Christianity has led to some of the most beautiful art, music, and literature that the world has ever known.
10) Gloria in excelsis Deo.

Answer 4

That's easy. If all those things didn't happen, we would have nothing to compare to. As far as torture etc.etc....every political structure is responsible for that. even today. The church is just under fire in the modern day, so it's easy to point a finger at them.

Imprisoned for life? I take it you've never heard of a " Life Sentence ". Those are fairly common in a certain Democratic country.

Trust me, this is nothing new. People have been finding ways to screw each other for centuries. they don't need divine intervention for that.

Best wishes.

Answer 5

You haven't studied history well enough...

Go look at all our early colleges and their bylaws and statutes...you'll find Harvard, Princeton and others all saying that their mission was to study nature, to better know the Creator.

Science has only progressed to fulfill the Lord's will. As tech increases, the end of the world rushes toward mankind that much faster. The more tech, the more people in this world become players...and that leads to over crowding. Take China needing fuel, etc.

Increase in Tech can only lead to the downfall of the whole world... it's a slow process but the world is being ravaged, thanks' to tech. Caps are melting, global temps increasing..all cause of tech.

So your presumptions are all confused. God kept that tech back until He was ready to jump up the timing.

Answer 6

I like to think of it in terms of mental energy and memory space. Every time we think, we expend a certain amount of mental energy and we use up a certain amount of memory space like a hard drive on our computers. And like a computer, there is a limit on overall memory space and processor output or mental energy. If we were perfect beings, we would expend all our mental energy and use up all our memory space with that which is beneficial for our species and future generations and we wouldn't need to use any effort for determining moral obligations. We are pretty freakin far from perfect beings so that's why we have religion and belief which uses up a large percentage of overall mental energy. If we reduced by half the amount of energy expended (wasted) in the name of religion, I'm sure we would see a dramatic increase in technological progress.

Answer 7

eh:
'howbout
if music was a political power
or betteryet:
mamaearth

...yeah:
mamaearth for president in '08!!!