To Muslims: if the covenant was through Ishmael, then why were all of the prophets since Abraham Jewish...?

Question

...except the last one? What was Allah doing with the descendants of Ishmael during all of the centuries between Ishmael and Muhammad, when only the Jews were being given prophets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

To "sarah. J":

What covenant?

Now I’m confused. Most Muslims on Y!A say that they have a covenant trough Abraham through Ishmael. If God did not make an agreement (covenant) with Muhammad, then what are the Muslims talking about? What make you think that God agreed to save Muslims if there is no promise (covenant) from God to do so?

To “kalebow”, thanks for the detailed explanation, but why did Allah wait six or seven centuries after Isa (Jesus) to send a prophet to the Arabs to cleanse Mecca of its false idols? The Arabs were worshiping many idols, apparently for centuries, and Allah waited hundreds of years to correct their error. Is there a reason why Allah waited?

Answer 1

Both Sons of Abraham were given a promise (holy Covenant) to make the name of God and his laws known to all the world.

This promise was given to Abraham before the birth of Ishmael and after his birth (before the birth of Isaac 14 yrs later) so it included both sons.

Biblically the first son is supposed to get the Lions share and typically the second son looks for ways to usurp that right so it is quite infamous for the second one to verbally or in written form exclude the big bro. However, In Islam there is no exclusion of anyone.

The descendants of Isaac were chosen first.
A long line of Prophets and Kings descended from Isaac(pbuh) unto the Jews.

The children of Isaac were a blessing for all of mankind up until they denied Jesus.

In Islam Jesus is called the Messiah (annointed Prophet). He came from a miracle birth and performed miracles so nobody could falsely accuse him of being an imposter or a fake and then demand the death penalty on him. He was to be the last chance redeemer for the Jewish nation. If they accepted him and repented then they would be spared from a "lanat" and they would be forgiven for their rebellion and for the killing of Gods Prophets.

After that.... the Prophethood was shifted to the Ishmaelites and the message sent through them would be the last and eternal message until the day of Judgement.

God sent the final Prophet, the Seal of the Prophets to the Ishmaelites and with him would come the final book for all of mankind.

Both Sons were blessed and the promise was fulfilled.

God sent Ishmael and his mother into the desert of Paran when he was a baby.

This way they were protected from invasions and hellenization etc.

In the meantime the Arabs were safeguarded, their bloodlines were kept pure and their language became the most highly developed until a time came when they would speak in poetry and could memorize entire speeches of thousands of words.

When the time came............. Allah sent the last message to them.......... and the Arabs were able to memorize the word of God and they were able to memorize hundreds of thousands of sayings of the Prophet. The final message of God would come unto a people who could memorize vast amounts of information and thereby preserve it for the future.

Allah fulfilled his promise to bless both the sons of Abraham. The second son got the largest number of Prophets but the first son got the final Prophet who brought the last message that would be preserved for all time so no more Prophets would ever be needed again.

Both the sons of Abraham are blessed and honored in Islam.

Islam clearly states that Hagar and Ishmael were sent into Arabia (by command of God) 14 years before the birth of Isaac so the accusations of Sarah being overcome with jealousy is foreign to Islam.


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Answer 2

Ismael was not the "promised" son. The covenant was made through the lineage of Abraham and Sarah, not Abraham and Hagar. The only promise I see God making to Hagar is:
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation.
Gen 17:21 But I will establish My covenant with Isaac...

Muslims have no covenant with Jehovah, they have the same God but a man-made religion. The Jewish nation is the nation through which the Messiah was promised and was fulfilled in the person of Jesus. The only purpose to single out a particular nation was to preserve the lineage through which the Messiah would come and give them a standard of living that set them apart from the other heathen nations. Muslims don't have a promised Son, they have Prophets, and prophets are merely human.

Matt 24:11 And many false prophets will rise and deceive many

Answer 3

I read somewhere (on this site) that Muslims believe that Abraham, Jacob, Issac, and Moses were Muslims, as all the other prophets.
Muslims seem to vacillate between the belief that all prophets were Muslim, and the belief that Jews kill their prophets (Again: I read this postings on this very site)>

Answer 4

The Bible barely mentions Arabs or Ishmael. There are certain beliefs in Islam and certain ones in Judaism. I don't care to comment on either. It just stirs up more debate and doesn't lead to peace between Arabs and Jews.

Answer 5

what covenant?

Yes we believe in Islam that all the prophets(pbut) are from the children of Israel except for prophet Muhammad (saw). Simple as that.

EDIT:
Oh sorry i just got kind of confused.

God send his messages to mankind so they know wrong from right, good from evil and so on so forth. Also so we know that there is one God and he is only to be worshiped.

Answer 6

all of them including Jesus were Jewish, but after he was rejected by most jews and they went on doing what they were doing. he later sent muhammed w/ Islam, his last attempt. this is what we believe and their is a convenant w/ Ibrahim and Ismail. Muhammed is a decendent of Ismail.

Answer 7

The answer to your question is simple:

Islam is a cult.

Answer 8

WHOAH!!!!

Never thought of that!