Why do christians think it is Holy to let someone else do the time for their crimes?

Question

I mean, I can see why they'd want Jesus to take the fall for their sins. That just takes selfishness and a lack of integrity.

After all, no -honest- person would let another take his/her place.

Honest people, with integrity, pay for their own crimes.

But with christians its "Jesus died on the cross to pay for my crimes". So it is actually holy to escape responsibility for your own crimes.

"Jesus did it, punish him, just let me into heaven and don't burn me in the lake of fire and brinstone".

This is why Jesus died? To help a bunch of ne'er do wells escape paying for the crimes they've committed? These are the people their god wants in his heaven?

I guess that's why I don't fit in.

I want to be around people who take the fall for their own stuff, rather than people who are looking for others to take the blame and pay the price.

But I'm just funny that way.

(o.O)

What say you?

Answer 1

I would agree - and also I just find it problematic that I am obligated to follow certain rules because--thousands of years before I was born and certainly not by my insistence--someone was excruciatingly tortured.

In one breath, they say God is infallible. In another, they tell you the story of how he flooded the entire world, drowning all the life forms he'd created (as an animal lover, I was struck with horror as a child at hearing the Noah's Ark story), and then intentionally created a son for the sole purpose of torturing and killing him.

For me--all this was done for me. And I'm told if I'm not pleased and slavishly grateful, there's something wrong with me. If I recoil from sweeping destruction or cruelty, it is Satan's influence.

My response is one word: No. All you have to do is take a half-step back to look at all this, and religious faith is the only way to rationalize any of it--and religious faith considers willful ignorance and a refusal to question to be virtues.

Answer 2

"Why do christians think it is Holy to let someone else do the time for their crimes?"
First, he volunteered or, at the very least, could have stopped it from happening if he so desired. Second, it doesn't matter what we think, but whether our belief corresponds with reality or not. Third, any holiness I have is not my own, but has been imparted on me.

"I can see why they'd want Jesus to take the fall for their sins."
Explain how I'd want anyone to have to suffer what Jesus suffered through, however grateful I am that he did so.

"So it is actually holy to escape responsibility for your own crimes."
Weren't you implying a few days ago that God should have done just that for the people who drowned in the flood? So God should grant mercy to those who are indifferent to their sins and refuse to recognize their need for mercy, yet should deny mercy to those have turned away from their sins and asked God for mercy they admit they don't deserve? Seems a bit... backwards to me.

"Honest people, with integrity, pay for their own crimes."
With no provision to temper justice with mercy?

"To help a bunch of ne'er do wells escape paying for the crimes they've committed?"
Speaking of honesty, at least we're honest enough to admit that we, of our own power, are ne'er-do-wells and that we need God's help. We can never be holy enough, or good enough, or strong enough, or anything enough to merit God's forgiveness. Rather, it is a free GIFT that we have not earned.

"I want to be around people who take the fall for their own stuff, rather than people who are looking for others to take the blame and pay the price."
I don't blame anyone but myself for the sins I've committed. Nor am I looking for someone else to pay the price, but rather Jesus already did pay the price. In other words, it's there whether I was looking for it or not, whether I accept that he did so or not.

Answer 3

I have NEVER been able to figure out that one, and no Christian has ever come up with even a half-assed explanation for it, it totally makes no sense, just like so much other stuff in Christianity. I mean, the rule was that Christ had to die for human suns. SAYS WHO? GOD? WHY DID HE MAKE THAT RULE AND WHY DOESN'T HE JUST REJECT THE RULE??


Because it is all made up and you know what happens when stories get told over and over...they get more and more complicated and farther from anything like reality.

Thus Christianity.

Thank you for the best answer on accepting love. I added a comment for you!

Bright Blessings, always,
Lady Morgana )0(

Answer 4

Christians are followers, not leaders, nor thinkers. Nor do they realize that morals do not have to be in a really old book for them to exist. In practice, christians will do whatever is socially acceptable at the time without regard to whether it is wrong or right, just whether or not they can get away with it.

The example you post is a prime one. Would these same people allow their own children to die so that someone else's kids don't have to live by your house-rules? Would they think it's just that some other parent killed their kid so their neighbors don't have to pay the water bill and can get free water from now on?

They don't look at it from a good/bad standpoint. They look at it from a predetermined position that someone else predetermined for them. This guy died so you don't have to pay a tax to breathe the air anymore, and all you have to do is believe in him and pay the people that keep reminding you about him dying for your right to breathe free air. They never stop to think that air was free for most of the world, and the only ones that had to pay for it were the ones who followed they guy that said they had to pay for it. But that's another issue for another question.

In short, yes, they think it's okay because if it is true, they don't want to have to do ANYTHING in order to make up for their wrongs. They'd rather let someone else take the fall and tell everyone else how they can get away with it too.

Answer 5

We who accept the atonement are first confessing our sin.
If we had no sin there would be no need for an atonement.
It is more than a payment for sin it is an atonement which means not only is the price paid but by faith we are made new. We are joined to a righteous God through the atonement. Without this we have no part of him.It is your choice ot accept the price that was paid or to reject the price but none the less the price is paid. It is not our decision whether or not God pays the price it is our decision whether or not to accept the gift. If someone loves you jumps in front of a bullet and you remain alive do you then shoot yourself?
Christ did not die in vain. Christ is resurrected and lives and the resurrection is his gift to you. God gives you free will to reject this gift but it does not change the fact that he paid the price for you.

Answer 6

Jesus died for me and by the grace of God I am forgiven! Jesus had a choice, He died for us because of His own free will, it was out of love. I think you are mistaken about the whole thing. Christians do pay the price. Just because Jesus came and died for us does not give us a get out of Hell free card. We have to live up to Jesus' example. I can go to Hell just as fast and easy as you can!
Please do not take this offensive, but for that sweet baby sitting in your lap on your avatar please try to see a side that you are not seeing. I am not saying BELIEVE!!!!! I am asking you to consider looking into the Lord.

Answer 7

Well, I think it stems from a misinterpretation. "Sin" is not bad behavior; it's separation from the divine. It's simply the state of being less than 100% in tune with the Spirit, which is part of the condition of being material beings. So in the Christian belief system, Jesus reconnected us; he reminded us that we have a divine spiritual nature as well as a material one.

As for bad behavior (crimes), we all pay for them as we commit them and separate ourselves from the divine. But Jesus let us know that we could reconnect at any time.

At least, I think that was Jesus' intended message. It's been twisted & rewritten in so many ways, who can know?

The church's message that our evilness caused Jesus to have to die a horrible death for our sake, sparing us from a much-deserved fiery lake... well, that's an example of a cult controlling its members by inducing feelings of shame and guilt and fear.

BTW, I am a spiritual seeker who used to be Christian. Just looking for the truth now...

Answer 8

That's an interesting way to see it.. However, don't forget that Jesus did this of his own choice. No one ever asked him to. No one put him up to it. He didn't have to do it. He wanted to because he loves us even though we do deserve to pay for our own crimes. Now the price is already paid - we just have to choose to accept or reject it. Do you think it would be a bigger offense to accept that he died for us than it would be to reject it? I don't think so.. I think the best thing to do now is accept it and appreciate it.. Fall to the floor and give all that I am to him in return.. And love him like I should have all along. :)

Answer 9

I hope you don't fill your take on life to your grandson. I can't imagine why you give lame excuses to not be a Christian. Jesus died for us and Christianity is based on HIS teachings, not ours. Be happy and teach your grandchildren to think for themselves on religion (as spoken by every athiest on the board). Grace and mercy are words you should look up and study. You look to be getting older, so think more with your heart and open up to new ways of thinking. God bless you.

Answer 10

Hello and you said no "honest" person okay but the problem with that is there is not any such thing as a honest person, there is no such thing as a person who does good and who seeks God, God came to seek us out we do not and did not have the ability or want to find Him, i and you are DEAD in trespass to sin LOST and without Hope, as John 3:16 says it was LOVE that made God send Jesus to pay my debt He did not owe cause i owe a bill i can not pay and your right i AM guilty but God sent Jesus to pay my fine and let me go free, it was LOVE and my ONLY response can be in
John 14:15 To obey Him out of LOVE, and you can fit in if you want i live in a world that is a big open grave and Jesus came to show ME the Way out He provided WOW such Love why would i say NO, why would you? God bless free bible lessons www.amazingfacts.org God bless you.