Why Don't Evolutionists know How everything Began?

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THIS IS WHY: Christians please read...

The theory of evolution postulates that the earth and the universe came into existence slowly over eons of time, or that the universe has always existed. The atheist astronomer Carl Sagan once stated that, "the Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be." However that simply is not true! Studies in cosmology have demonstrated in recent years that there was a time when the cosmos did not exist—that it had a beginning at a specific point in time. This is exactly what the Bible states. In Genesis 1:1 we read: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Both the Bible and the discoveries of science clearly indicate that the earth and the universe have not always existed.

Astronomers studying galactic motion have observed that the universe is expanding outward from a given point, but at a decreasing rate of speed. The universe appears to have begun with a large explosion.

This is referred to as the "big bang." Scientists have been able to detect echoes of this explosion that still reverberate through the universe—called the "radiation echo" or "background noise." Stephen Hawking, a theoretical physicist at Cambridge University, has written that the big bang cosmology may reveal "the mind of God," and American astrophysicist George Smoot has suggested that background radiation represents "the handwriting of God" (Science, August 15, 1997, p. 890). Such evidence is forcing scientists to reevaluate long-cherished naturalistic theories.
Physicists have also formulated laws concerning thermodynamics. The First Law of Thermodynamics states that the amount of energy in the universe remains constant. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the amount of usable energy in a closed system (the universe) is decreasing.
This means the universe is running down—thus, "it could not have existed forever in the past and will not exist forever into the future

" (When Skeptics Ask, Geisler and Brooks, 1996, p. 220). It had a beginning. The existence of radioactive elements (such as carbon-14) which decay at a measurable rate (called a half-life) also points to a time when those elements were made radioactive. Again this points to a beginning. This, too, is contrary to what evolutionists have theorized, but is consistent with Scripture.
But what causative agent brought the universe into being? Science operates on the principle that for every effect there is a cause. But what caused the "big bang?" Was it merely blind, natural forces, or was it an intelligent being, a Creator God who carefully planned it beforehand? Since this was a one-time event that was not observed or repeatable, the scientific method is of little value in rendering a decision on this matter. The subject of origins lies beyond the realm of scientific investigation. However, the Bible describes the origin of the universe and the earth in terms that are compatible wit

with facts ascertained by scientists. The discovery that the universe had a definite beginning agrees with clear statements in the Bible.
Scripture repeatedly refers to God as the Creator of the physical earth and universe (Genesis 1; Isaiah 40:28; Mark 13:19; Revelation 4:11). However, the real God is concerned with far more than just the physical creation. The Bible also reveals there is also an ongoing spiritual dimension to God's creation.
The Apostle Paul writes that when a person chooses to turn from a self-centered way of life, and chooses to begin living by the teachings of Jesus Christ, that person becomes a "new creation" or a "new creature" (2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15). As we will see, God has an incredible purpose for human beings who are willing to embark on this challenging spiritual journey. The Bible indicates very clearly there are more aspects to life than naturalistic science can discover. These aspects are revealed by the Creator

Answer 1

Very good...I totally agree with you! The bible says "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6. It seems really simple to us, but complex to them (unbelievers). We have the Holy Spirit which helps us to understand the mysteries of God. They don't. Inorder for them to truly understand this concept, they would first have to believe and allow God to pull the wool from over their eyes. Continue spreading the gospel, but don't get discouraged, there's a great reward waiting for you!

Be Blessed and Encouraged!

Answer 2

*Sigh*

OK. Let's begin at the beginning (always a good idea).

Evolution is NOT a theory about the origins of the cosmos. The Big Bang hypothesis and the theory of evolution are two distinct scientific endeavors.

Evolution states that simply that macroscopic life today (in a biological sense) is the most recent state of a tree of events through which life responded to the external environment (including other life) in such a way that those "creatures" with characteristics that were superior in dealing with the external environment were "naturally selected" for continuation. Those with characteristics that were inferior in this sense were "weeded out". A gross oversimplification but hopefully will do for this forum.

The Big Bang is a theorized event that marked the beginning of the physical universe. By "theory" I mean that this is the best explanation that has been put forth that is consistent with all known cosmological data.

Most people that accept one theory accept the other because these people most often understand the scientific method and accept these theories as being consistent with this body of techniques and to individually be the most consistent with the physical evidence.

Re: the specifics of your details, a number of things:

1. The laws of thermodynamics are known to be statistical approximations that converge to a set of consistent "laws" on a macroeconomic scale. These laws have no place in describing the world of quantum mechanics, for example, because the notions of statistical mechanics have no meaning when speaking of singular "objects" (including wave functions). Related to this is the necessity of leaving open the possibility that statistical mechanics (thermodynamics) as it is currently formulated may not apply on even larger scales. In fact, as the next point implies, it is possible that the laws of the universe themselves differ from one region of the universe to the next. There are too many examples that might shed more light on this but one is the existence of Hawking radiation or, alternatively, the existence of situations in which virtual particles are created but one's momentum carries it into a black hole (related to but not subsumed by Hawking radiation).

2. The theory of the Big Bang is based on the assumptions of isotropism and homogeneity (collectively called the cosmological principle) as well as the assumption that the manifold which describes the large-scale structure of what we call the "space-time continuum" is well-behaved in a mathematical sense. What this all means in laymen terms is that we don't know enough about the large-scale structure of the universe to say that it had an origin at a single point. It is actually possible that the universe emerged from a donut-shaped manifold in the beginning or some other shape. However, scientific progress has not come far enough to know if this is the case or not so the assumptions that the universe is sort of the same everywhere are used for simplification.

Understand though that even the existence of the "big bang" does not lead one to the conclusion that there existed a creator god -- especially a specific one such as the Abrahamic. The scientific inference is only that the universe had an origin (that is a point) and the emergence of "more than a point" fro this is taken to be the beginning of physical time.

Answer 3

You are wrong!!. The theory of evolution states allele frequencies in a biological population change over time. It has absolutely nothing to do with origins.

You are also wrong that cosmology indicates "there was a time when the cosmos did not exist. In fact this is an absurdly wrong statement. What we call time is a derived property of the cosmos. Time only exists as part of the cosmos.

You confuse your words totally, playing word games.

Forever means for all time. Not necessarily for an infinite amount of time. By definition the universe existed for all time. Whether it had an infinite past ( and whether this is even well defined ) is a matter for further research.

Lets presume for the sake of argument that time has a beginning. This in no way implies the universe is created. Many things have beginnings without being creation events. The set of natural numbers have a beginning at zero. Is this a creation event, of course not.

Answer 4

Evolution says nothing about the origins of our universe. Carl Sagan was a brilliant man. The statment at the beginning of his series Cosmos was actually very true, as are many other thing he has said such as, "We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."
and
"Those who raise questions about the God hypothesis and the soul hypothesis are by no means all atheists. An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed. A wide range of intermediate positions seems admissible, and considering the enormous emotional energies with which the subject is invested, a questioning, courageous and open mind seems to be the essential tool for narrowing the range of our collective ignorance on the subject of the existence of God."

Answer 5

1 - Was there a question in there somewhere?

2 - What would you have liked those scientists to have called the origins? The noodly appendages? As nobody can travel through time or that much space, nobody truly knows what happened.

3 - What if, based on your theories, the universe is more like a yo-yo on a string? When it is heading for the bottom of the string, it "speeds up", then "slows down" on it's way back up. Prove that the universe isn't just at the top of it's string.

That's what I thought.

Answer 6

How do you not see the contradiction here? You say that science theories such as the big bang are is fallacious but then attempt to use scientific theories to back up Biblical claims? Make up your contradicting mind.

Science does not claim to have all the answers. Science continues searching instead of giving up and saying "God did it." Yours is a clasic "God of the Gaps" argument. Simply because science cannot explain it does not mean automatically that God existed. Even if it were proof of a deity of some form, it would not prove the Abrahamic God of the Bible. At least we aren't too stubborn to admit that we don't have all the answers...yet.

Answer 7

Wow, its amazing you can write so much and yet get it all so wrong.

Honey....

Evolutionists (which isn't a word btw so you need to learn the english language) don't say how everything began because EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ABIOGENESIS OR THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE.

Don't know what Abiogenesis is? Well, honey, Abiogenesis is the creation of life.

Go study it.

Now, as to why we don't know how the universe began? Because we don't. It really is as simple as that. That doesn't automatically default to a god. That means "I don't know but I'll find out and keep searching until I do", as opposed to idiotic religion who say "I know everything because a 2000 year old book written by sheepherders who thought the Earth was flat says so".

The fact that we don't know doesn't mean we won't stop trying to find out, nor does it mean we'll automatically give in to you godbots. We aren't that weak.

Remember, its the journey thats important, not the end result. Christians don't want the journey, they want the easy answers right this second.

Answer 8

Evolutionists do not nor have they claimed to know everything. They adjust their finding as they do more research. However, creationist have never nor will they ever admit they are wrong they simply assume that "POOF" everything came into existence.

Science may not have all the answer but at the very least science has the most plausible explanations to questions.

Answer 9

Just a point that is probably way off track....

If the bible states that the cosmos were not always in existence, it sounds to me like the bible is the more spectacular of science and biblical references. The bible made that statement some thousands of years before advanced technology. Seems interesting.

Answer 10

Umm... Possibly because there is proof for the Big Bang(no quotes needed), while for everything else you have the Bible. That's all.

Edit: Also, we're too stuck up to listen to you abuse Yahoo's 'Add Additional Details' button. Four Times. Using up every character.