Coragryph Says New Haven CT Is Breaking No Laws But According To The States Own Web Site They Are, Do You See?

Question

coragryph

They are not disregarding any law.

Federal law prohibits states from enforcing federal immigration laws. CT is not trying to enforce federal immigration laws.

CT is providing a state issued ID for people -- which is completely within its constitutional and statutory rights.

Can you cite what laws you think CT is breaking? The Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) issues a Non-Driver Photo Identification Cards (ID) to any applicant who does not possess a valid motor vehicle operator's license or whose Connecticut license is presently under suspension. The applicant must be a Connecticut resident. ID cards are issued three to five years depending on the person's date of birth.

Note: If an applicant ever applies for a Connecticut Driver's License, the identification card must be surrendered when the driver's license is issued.

To obtain an ID card, qualified persons must apply at any Full Service DMV Branch Office, or the Stamford, Willimantic or Winsted Satellite offices (new issue ID cards will not be processed at the Putnam Satellite office, the Photo License Centers/Buses or AAA offices) and present the following:

Your certified Birth Certificate or valid Passport (hospital birth certificates or photocopies will not be accepted) and one additional form of identification from our list of acceptable forms of identification .

Note: If you are not a citizen of the United States , you will be required to show proof of your legal status in this country.
Holders of a B1 or B2 Visitor's Visa are not eligible for a driver's license or identification card unless a valid USCIS Employment Authorization Card and verification of an application pending for Lawful Permanent Residence is provided.
Foreign students with an F1 Visa status must show USCIS document I-20 and verification of current enrollment in a Connecticut school.
J1 Visa holders are required to show USCIS document DS2019.
H1B Visa holders are required to show a valid USCIS Employment Authorization Card and an employee verification letter from a Connecticut employer.
All applicants will be verified through USCIS for legal status before a driver's license/identification card will be issued.


Verification of Connecticut resident address (P.O. Box is not acceptable). Verification may be in the form of a utility bill, mortgage document, lease or rental agreement, or a postmarked letter dated within 90 days if the resident address is the same as the mailing address.


In accordance with the Social Security Act 42 U.S.C. 666 (a) (13), it will be required that the social security number of any applicant applying for an ID card be recorded on the Connecticut Identification Card Requirements and Application (form B-230). Your Social Security number will be verified with the Social Security Administration (SSA) before the ID card is issued. If you do not have a social security number, you must obtain a letter from SSA that states you are not eligible for a social security number. This letter must be submitted to DMV when applying for your ID card.


Completed Connecticut Identification Card Requirements and Application (form B-230). If applicant is under the age of eighteen, a parent, court-appointed legal guardian (certified court documentation must be presented), or spouse over 18 years of age must sign the Connecticut Identification Card Requirements and Application (form B-230).


$15 fee (cash or money order only made payable to the DMV).
Renewals:

DMV will send out renewal notices for ID cards to the current address we have on file. Proceed to any Full Service DMV Branch Office, or the Stamford, Willimantic or Winsted Satellite offices (ID card renewals will not be processed at the Putnam Satellite office, the Photo License Centers/Buses or AAA offices) and present the following:

The renewal notice (if available).
Certified copy of your birth certificate or valid passport (hospital birth certificates or photocopies will not be accepted).
Your ID card, which must be surrendered. If the ID card has been lost you must present one additional form of identification from our list of acceptable forms of identification .
If you are not a citizen of the United States, you will also be required to show proof of your legal status in this country as noted above.
If you have had a name change since your ID card was issued you must present a certified marriage license, certified divorce decree or a certified probate court name change document for name change other than in instances of marriage or divorce.
Verification of Connecticut resident address (P.O. Box is not acceptable). Verification may be in the form of a utility bill, mortgage document, lease or rental agreement, or a postmarked letter (dated within 90 days) if the resident address is the same as the mailing address.
Social Security number, which will be verified with the Social Security Administration (SSA) before the ID card is issued. If you do not have a social security number, you must obtain a letter from SSA that states you are not eligible for a social security number and present this to DMV.
$15 fee (cash or money order only made payable to DMV).
If applicant is under the age of eighteen, a parent, court-appointed legal guardian (certified court documentation must be presented), or spouse over 18 years of age must sign the application.
Duplicates (Replacements):

A person whose ID card has been lost, stolen or damaged may be issued a new identification card by applying at a DMV Full Service office, Satellite office or Photo License Center (not AAA or the Photo License Bus) and must present the following:

Certified copy of your birth certificate or valid passport (hospital birth certificates or photocopies will not be accepted) and one additional form of identification from list of acceptable forms of identification . If you are not a citizen of the United States, you will be required to show proof of legal status in this country as noted above.
$15 fee (cash or money order only made payable to DMV).
Change of Name:

Supporting documentation is required when a name change is requested. Supporting documents are a certified marriage license, certified divorce decree or a certified probate certificate for name change other than in instances of marriage or divorce. There is no fee for a change of name. If your ID is lost, follow the same procedure as noted above for obtaining a duplicate (replacement) ID card and pay the $15 fee.

Suspended Licenses:

A person whose Connecticut operator's license is under suspension may apply for an ID card as long as all of the above requirements are met.

Revoked Licenses:

A person whose privileges have been revoked cannot obtain an ID card.

Answer 1

Links would have been sufficient.

IF what you are quoting is actually Connecticut law, and not just DMV policy, then you are correct and I was wrong.

IF Connecticut law requires proof of legal resident status, then New Haven would be violating state laws.

Not having researched Connecticut laws specifically, I don't know if it's just DMV policy, or actually state law.

And not having researched the New Haven proposal, I don't know whether it's a DMV-issued ID card, or something that the city is issuing under some other authority.

That's why it's important to check the actual text of the laws.
Thank you for providing this information.

Answer 2

Based on this:
"Note: If you are not a citizen of the United States , you will be required to show proof of your legal status in this country.
Holders of a B1 or B2 Visitor's Visa are not eligible for a driver's license or identification card unless a valid USCIS Employment Authorization Card and verification of an application pending for Lawful Permanent Residence is provided.
Foreign students with an F1 Visa status must show USCIS document I-20 and verification of current enrollment in a Connecticut school.
J1 Visa holders are required to show USCIS document DS2019.
H1B Visa holders are required to show a valid USCIS Employment Authorization Card and an employee verification letter from a Connecticut employer.
All applicants will be verified through USCIS for legal status before a driver's license/identification card will be issued"

It appears that all Federal guidelines are being followed.
I do have to call into question why you would single out one poster on this forum to target. While I may not always agree with Coragryph on certain issues, he has gained my respect for his knowledge and depth of understanding.

Your post was inappropriate in singling out 1 poster.

Answer 3

this is the simple version...
Anyone withOUT authorization to be in the USA is by Fed law an illegal alien..subject to detention and deportation.
..IF Connecticut believes that "state laws" trump federal laws, then Connecticut should be immediately cut off from all federal funding until it succeeds from the nation...
...The security of the USA is based on a LAWS that ALL states must follow..Dislike of or disagreement with a law that endangers the nation is no justification for endangering the nation .
..Connecticut can do what it wants as a sovereign nation that supports itself, its citizens and pays access fees/tolls as negotiated with the USA.. (I sincerely doubt the state can fly all their essentials in and generate enough revenue to "support" their infrastructure and citizens...))
..empathy and a "desire" to help others is a laudable attribute BUT chaos reigns without laws. Humans doing what they want, when they want without constraints (laws) that protect the society as a whole degenerate into places where the strong prey against the weak,crime reigns and many suffer.
A desire to" help" illegals can easily be done by applying as a sponsor and providing employment.shelter etc.
...sorry no legal citation

Answer 4

Do you have a question? The city of New Haven has begun issuing Resident ID cards to anyone who lives in New Haven regardless of their legal residency.

Mayor DeStefano's new idea to offer this ID program has opened the flood gates for immigration to come in and perform a "random search for immigrants", though this happened on the day after this program was approved.

The mayor basicallly crippled the city for days as people were afraid to leave their homes...citizens or not, whether you agree or not, there are illegal folks here that perform the day to day tasks and jobs that most of us would not do. We all might want to consider two different immigration reform plans: 1 for those already here and how to handle, 2) for anyone new coming to America...

The NewHaven ID Program is to give its residents access to certain immenities that the city has to offer, though in truth? I don't buy it. I think its just another way the local government has found to be local, not global. Most folks who are not citizens are not necessarily interested in checking out a library book, as the mayor has stated as one of its perks, NOR are they interested in using their new ID card to pay for parking - most illegal residents do not posess a drivers license, therefor are not legally driving (why would they want the city to be able to keep track of anyone breaking a law?). Most folks that are here illegally are more interested in putting food on their table, raising their children in a better place and figuring out how to continue life in a normal fashion.

The current policies on residency makes it near impossible for some to become residents. New Haven has taken a huge step sideways and two steps back...maybe the time spent on this project would have been better well spent by going for the senseless gun possession by children and feeding and insuring the hungry, but hardworking families that support the city.

The Mayor wanted this program, not the citizens.

Answer 5

Well, I know that the 9/11 families won a lawsuit against Maryland, I think it was, for giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants due to the REAL ID act requirements. I don't know if that would apply. Then there is the general 'no harboring' provisions of law, as well, which as far as I know have not been tested.

However, Coragryph and I fundamentally disagree on the issue of states' rights, to begin with.

Answer 6

You are the one who is wrong, it is not a state issued ID.
"New Haven would be the first to issue an all-purpose municipal ID card for residents" Singling someone out is cowardly.

Answer 7

The state's website tells you the requirements to obtain a STATE identification. There is no law that says that city or town identification cards have to meet the state requirements.

Answer 8

Ok, so what is your point? Coragryph either lives there, checked on line, and read the facts he stated somewhere.

If he was wrong, he was wrong, why write the book? If you knew all this already, why not just post it?

So quick to let everyone know someone was wrong - so what, guess what, we are all human.

Connecticut can do whatever they please and what ever is within their guidelines, so did you have a question for us here?

Answer 9

Well he does lets just say be to quick to answer many questions. I do respect his opinion by the way. Illegals should not be in this country, simple concept to me.

Answer 10

I wonder what the legal citizens of CT wanted. Did they agree to this or did politicians throw it on them?>?