These verses are Jacob's blessing to his son Joseph. Here the land of America is given to Joseph's posterity. Joseph is a fruitful bough by a well. His branches (Nephites and Lamanites) to run over the wall. Jacob prophesied that Joseph's branches—Ephraim and Manasseh—would inherit the "utmost bound (Land of America) of the everlasting hills (Rocky Mountains)" This is a bible prophesy of the restoration of the gospel in these latter days. (2 Nephi Chapter 3).
This is my tidbit for the day. Just interseted in your thoughts about it.
2007-07-24 14:05:37 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The "utmost bound" here means somewhere very far away from where they are. What is the utmost bound? How about the other side of the Earth. The American continent. Therefore the American continent is the "utmost bound".
2007-07-24 14:14:40 · update #1
Perhaps you could tell me what you think the hidden meanings are in these verses.
2007-07-24 14:24:17 · update #2
Jeremiah. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.
2007-07-24 14:33:07 · update #3
One last thing. The reason we believe that this is what it means is because of the confirmation of that in the Book of Mormon. See 2nd Nephi Chapter 3.
2007-07-24 14:34:23 · update #4
There are many different view points. This is an example how another testament of Jesus Christ (The Book of Mormon) clarifys the hard things to understand in the Bible.
2007-07-24 15:02:57 · update #5
I forgot to add that the wall that his fruitful branches run over is the Ocean.
2007-07-24 16:18:05 · update #6
I couldn't resist responding to this.
"The "utmost bound" here means somewhere very far away from where they are."
Why do you believe this? "Utmost bound" means "farthest limit" or "farthest border". Also, you have taken "utmost bound" out of context. The verse reads (in the 5 versions I found that use "bounds") "utmost bounds of the everlasting hills" or "mountains". So, what is the "utmost bounds" of the mountains or hills?
"What is the utmost bound? How about the other side of the Earth. The American continent. Therefore the American continent is the "utmost bound"."
The American continent is not a "bound" of anything except the oceans. Was Jacob speaking of the Atlantic Ocean? No, in fact it states quite clearly that he was speaking of the hills or mountains. America is in no way the "utmost bounds" of the hills or mountains.
"Perhaps you could tell me what you think the hidden meanings are in these verses."
Jacob was prophecying the future of the tribe of Joseph upon entering (and settling in) Canaan.
"One last thing. The reason we believe that this is what it means is because of the confirmation of that in the Book of Mormon. See 2nd Nephi Chapter 3."
"Confirmation" is the wrong word to use here, since you have to "confirm" something already claimed, and this particular meaning was not claimed by Genesis. You believe this because you believe the claim made in the Book of Mormon. I don not know if that claim has been confirmed.
"There are many different view points. This is an example how another testament of Jesus Christ (The Book of Mormon) clarifys the hard things to understand in the Bible."
"Clarifies" is a subjective word in this instance. "Interprets" is accurate. Clarification requires 1) that the thing clarified be cloudy 2) that the clarification makes the cloudy thing clear. Of course, whether this makes these verses more clear or more confusing is a matter of opinion.
"I forgot to add that the wall that his fruitful branches run over is the Ocean."
Hmmmm... oddly low "wall", but not an impossible analogy.
My thoughts: is there justification for your interpretation? Ignoring the fact that you separated "utmost bounds of the everlasting hills" without explanation. In other words, how could I be certain that your interpretation of these verses is the correct one? Several books have been written that apply varying interpretations to these verses. Can you *demonstrate* (not regurgitate), or *prove* why I should believe in your favorite interpretation instead of the one that seems clear to me (especially in light of the preceding prophecies)?
Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/
Note: New American Standard Bible seems to have abridged these verses! I noticed this is not the case in the latest NASB. Maybe it's my software. :(
2007-07-25 11:09:00 · answer #1 · answered by JimPettis 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
That a pretty provincial view. The land of Israel is also mountainous and full of hills next to a deep blue sea. This Bible passage is mostly saying that Jacob (aka Israel) has made Joseph his chosen heir, the prime beneficiary of his land (two shares all of the land of Israel for the descendants from Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh) and all the best for them.
2007-07-24 21:28:30 · answer #2 · answered by Jeremiah 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Addressed to Joseph, but applicable to his two sons ( corroborative text, will refer to this as " cf. " in future; 48:15-20 ), these words thrust forth a contrasting experience of growth and prosperity alongside of hostility and conflict. Verses 23,24 may be a biography of Joseph. No other tribe had such direct reference to the Lord God ( vv. 24,25 ) in there blessing as addressed to Joseph. The four names for God well reflect Joseph's emphasis on the sovereignty of his God, no matter the misfortune and grief which attended his way ( cf. v. 23 ). Samuel was from Ephraim, Gideon from Manasseh.
I have no idea where you have obtained such a folly as this. However, it does remind me of the idiotic hypocrises of the mormons.
God be with you son,
Reverend William M. Butler, St. Luke Ministries,
Evangelist of the Church.
P.S.
Buy yourself a nice Thompsom Chain Reference Study Bible and diligently set yourself to understanding the God breathed scriptures of our Lord God Almighty.
2007-07-24 21:53:04 · answer #3 · answered by BOC 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Genesis 49:22-26 JOseph is a fruitful vine, afruitful vine near a spring,whose branches climb over a wall.With bitterness archers atack him;they shot him with hostility, But his bow remained steady,....................... I could go onbut as anyone can see this has no reference to in any way. Please use a discerning heart and mind as you read these verses and remember what Paul said would happen to him or even an angel who taught a different Gospel than the one he taught.
Hey meshugga It apears more like schmatza
2007-07-24 21:25:37 · answer #4 · answered by David F 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Keil and Delitsch, the two best Old Testament Biblical scholars that have ever been would take umbrage with you on that. I do, too. One has to go at the Bible in a very convoluted way to arrive at that postulate.
Maggie
2007-07-24 21:09:33 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
This sounds like it comes from the same School of thought that taught that the US was the lost tribes of Israel back in the later part of the 19th century.
LOL
Not only is it patently stupid it creeps into a very special part of insanity.
Blessed Be!
2007-07-24 21:17:26 · answer #6 · answered by ♥Gnostic♥ 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Oy vey!
Stop writing between the lines!
2007-07-24 21:18:19 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Those verses have Nothing to do with America? Where did you come up with this??
2007-07-24 21:11:12 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I read it again before I read the rest of your question. He was supposed to breed. It didn't say why.
2007-07-24 21:10:23 · answer #9 · answered by shermynewstart 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋