I still don't understand...not that it matters .

Question

Did Jesus exist in Heaven before he came to earth? When did the trinity start? Can Jesus have different thoughts from God but still be God? Why did God (or whoever) suddenly decide to send Jesus to Earth? And why not send him as a 30 year old man (kinda like Adam) so he could sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself even sooner?

WTF? it's like a bad movie where stuff just happens for no apparent reason whatsoever.

and when I say God, I'm talking specifically about God (R-Heaven).

Answer 1

All of this is a not important when it comes to saving faith.

What is important is how you answer the question Pontius Pilate asked the mob in Jerusalem:

"What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" (Matthew 27:22)

The answer to that question determines your eternal fate.

Answer 2

This is actually a great question.

Yes, Jesus has been here always even before He existed here on earth. This is the issue took me the longest time to be OK with:Trinity.

If you read John 1:1 it is there. Jesus is the Word that became flesh. Jesus has been God all along, He just took a human form when He came here. When He was in the earth, Jesus was fully human and fully God.

The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but the triune character of God is all over the Bible. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

The decision was not made suddenly. The prophecy in the Old Testament told about Jesus. Everything happened exactly how it was in the OT. It is not that people did not have a free will, but it is more like God knew what the choices of people were and He was able to tell it beforehand.

I could write about this subject much more but I do not have even my English Bible with me, and Finnish would not do too much good to you.

This life is a gift. We are here for His pleasure and purposes. Laws are here to protect us. God takes sin seriously and that is why the wages of sin was death in the OT. Luckily we do not have animal sacrifices anymore. It was God's wrath, He provided us the way out of His wrath. Heaven is the perfect place what we all are dreaming about, but then we will not have our free will anymore.

Free will opens the door for the evil, but I think it is still better to have a choice. So you have an important choice to make here, becase after this life here, we do not have choice. Then it is the time for God's will to happen the way He planned it. I choose heaven. Heaven is for everyone who will choose Jesus. : )

Answer 3

Jesus and the Holy Spirit always existed--as did God. They are three persons in one-the Trinity. It's hard to understand, I admit.
Jesus and God are in complete agreement about everything. As for separate thoughts, I'd have to say yes, since Jesus sits at God's right hand, making intercession for us. Yet they are still in complete agreement.
The plan for Jesus (God) to be born on earth has always been the plan, even before the earth was created. God knew Adam and Eve would sin, and satan would gain dominion over the earth because of it--bringing with him the curse of sin and death. God also already knew that mankind could never keep His laws, or live sinless. Only He could do that, and He did, through Jesus.
As to all the why's, I can't tell you. I don't pretend to have all the answers. All I can tell you is that once I accepted Christ, I changed--and for the better. On the whole, I don't do the things I once did, or talk, think, act like I used to. I don't have the desire to. My mindset changed, and believe me--you'd like the new me better. I still sin, but not willfully. Sin is no longer a way of life for me. But when I do sin, I am truly sorry about it, and I can and do seek forgiveness.
I hope this helped even a tiny bit, but like I said, I don't have all the answers. I do have trust and faith in God though--and I believe that one day I will have the answers to God's mysteries.
Thanks for the question. :)

Answer 4

Jesus has existed for all eternity. The Trinity came into existence about the third century A.D.. God is NOT a trinity!

Yes, Jesus can, and does, have different thoughts from God the Father -- the Bible reveals as much several times. And he is still God.

God doesn't decide "suddenly;" though such things are hard to determine in the scope of eternity. :)

And since Jesus didn't start the full work of his ministry until he was about 30, ... That's why he's called the "Second Adam."

He did not "sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself." The one who became Jesus Christ volunteered to become human and offer his life for our lives to save us from death -- death which we brought upon ourselves.



BTW, I've read several of your questions in R&S, and I have to ask, is your brain engaged when you post these questions? Because is seems like you are just babbling Atheist obfuscation that someone has poured into your brain.

Read the Bible for your self -- without preconceptions or a priori attitudes. Think for your self!

The reason for your confusion is obvious -- you are not serious about finding the truth. If you believe that Christians can't think for themselves, you're just believing another Atheist propaganda lie.

Answer 5

Jesus was in heaven before the earth. It said that "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God", and then later on says Jesus is the Word.

Jesus can.

That is what most peopele would have expected, and what most people think would have been right. But the fact that Jesus was born poor and was raised to be humble was a lesson to us to not rely on people by what they have or the outside but the inside that matters. More of an example that if your heart is right then the outside doesnt matter.

God knows all, therefore He had a plan and sent Him when He wanted to. Most likely to see if the people would hang on to the prophecies and trust God.

Answer 6

Hi Mullah,
When I was a little boy in St Mary's Primary School, I asked a lot of questions of the Sister's of St Joseph's Catholic Church. I firmly believed, at that time, that I had good reason to ask these questions of my religious teachers.

I am going to share with you a resounding revelation during one of these teachings... I think my question related to where all the women came from for Cane and Able to bonk (yes, I was sexually advanced for my years) .. and the reply that struck me most, (setting aside the reinforcement of it on my hand with a wooden spoon), was this "Faith in his word is all that is required by God".

Now you might think that a tough gig for a 7 year old... but that advice has served me well every time I hear someone question the word of God, I remember that day.

Thanks very much for bringing it up.

Answer 7

Dude, you and theologians.

There's still some debate in some camps as to whether Jesus was a human who turned into a spirit, or if he was a spirit posing as a human and did he exist as a spirit, then somehow...uh...fertilize his mother...and was he separate from God at the time?

This would be why there are different religions. It's all based on what you believe.

Well, technically, most religious people are in the religion they grew up in as kids (usually in the same/similar denomination, even.)

So maybe it's more about what your parents believe.

Answer 8

I have the same confession
If Jesus come as savior, who was the savior of people before Jesus?
If there was some saints as the savior before Jesus, are they the same God in the different form, If people will go to hell if don't accept Jesus as savior, then how can people before Jesus accept him as savior?

I have asked this in here but I didn't get the answer.

Thanks for asking it, I star it and I hope you get the great answer.
I'm waiting the best answer for it
Thanks

Answer 9

Set aside the sarcasim with referring God as a whatever and show some respect. And He will give you the knowledge to understand your questions better.

Answer 10

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