Who made the rule that someone had to die for our sins?

Question

Did someone make this rule and God just had to go along with it? Or did he himself make the rule? And if he did, could he not have simply changed it and say instead that he would create a new star and that new star would cleanse our sins? If not, why not?
Or did he simply WANT a blood sacrifice to appease him? And why did he send himself as that sacrifice? Is suicide not a sin? What kind of example is that?

Is there anything but sheer lunacy in this whole story? What am I missing?

Rev. Kip - What you've just done is to r e a l l y e x p a n d on the point I already stated that he made the rule that someone had to die. You did not say why he chose that rule and why he simply couldn't have changed it. You also say that he can not change the law, but a) that makes him less than omnipotent and 2) That contradicts Christian theology because most claim that the almost all of OT law no longer applies due to the events of the NT.

Chez: you say, "It was only a pure act of love that could save us..."

SAYS WHO? I think you missed the whole point of the question, and I'm not sure how it got past you.
WHY did it take an act of pure love to save us?
WHY did that act of pure love have to be a violent blood sacrifice?
AND who was he saving us from? Wasn't he the one who condemned us in the first place? If he now thought that was a bad idea, why not simply change his own decision? don't tell me he couldn't change his decision, you already said he did once a blood sacrifice was made.

Answer 1

Of course, if he existed he could have created any course of events he wanted to. He didn't have to drown anyone to cleanse the earth. He could have just blinked them out painlessly. Why even create them if you know you will have to start over anyway? Why do you need to kill yourself to appease yourself if you are omnipotent? He could have simply forgiven people without it, or he could have sacrificed a goat instead. Any "lesson" to be learned could have been implanted in your brain. An omnipotent God is not required to do anything. Complete lunacy.

Answer 2

God Bless you...

First of all, the first fact you have to accept is that God's ways are not ours. We cannot fathom why things are the way they are sometimes--that's why it's called faith.

He requires a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. Just as your banker requires a payment in full to forgive a debt, God requires a blood sacrifice. This goes all that way back to the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Even sinned. God killed a beast as a sacrifice. The pattern was set.

His plan from the very beginning was to have a people who trusted in Him completely. So He sent Himself as the Son to pay that sin debt once and for all--forgiveness through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, available to all who believe.

He did not change it, because He does not change. He has existed from before time as He is, and He will exist after time as He is. His nature does not change. God, unlike other so-called gods, doesn't change His mind because something seems easier or makes more sense to man. That's what makes His sacrifice on the cross meaningful. If He simply changed His mind all the time, that act of redemption would be worthless--if the rules don't apply to God, then He is no longer Holy and Just. He is just another god fabricated by man.

As far as His death on the cross being a suicide, it was not a suicide. First of all, He was put there by the sin of man--the Jews and the Romans. Secondly, and most importantly, He rose from the grave. He laid down His life, and took it back up again. He gave His life as a sacrifice, not in an act of cowardice or selfishness which is what suicide is.

God IS the standard for Holiness. He set the rules for the entire universe, and all the details of it. What you are missing is faith. You can either accept God and His rule over everything, or you can reject Him. That is your choice.

Answer 3

You might find the answer here:

http://www.pathofreason.com/

This is a powerful must watch video, Zeitgiest, the Movie, with a great deal of authenticated, (although not unrefuted,) data. Check it out. It offers a theory for the invention of modern god-belief that's quite interesting and as well it covers other areas of interest, including 911 and an opinion of the New World Order. Check it out. (Warning: contains graphic images of human suffering)(run time = 1h 56m)

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POST SCRIPT: Chez_DeVille... Is it me or are we creating new math rules now, too? " fully human ...fully god, too." Does this seem to you to mean something on the order of, like.... 100% human and 100% god... ??? How does one do this mathematically? .... Hmmm ...? When did 200% become the new replacement meaning "full"... rather than the more commonly understood 50%+50%=100% (full)?
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Answer 4

Hey dude, let me give you an illustration what someone has to died for ours sins to be forgiven. You have a baking pan, and there is a hole in the pan. what happen when you bake a cake or even have different bake in the same pan after it has be clean. There will still be a spot in the cake. Now this is the answer to your question. Someone had to died for our sins because after our fore-parent Adam and Eve lost that privilege of perfection, their offspring you and myself lost the privilege of living forever. The only way we could repay God back was to send someone perfect to come and redeem us. Roman 5:12 stats "For this is why just as through one man sin, sins and death enter into the world and we have all sin". If that ransom wasn't given it wouldn't have fulfills God original purpose recorded at Genesis 1:28 "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdued it according to the fish of the sea". Read Roman 3:23 and Roman 6:23 it will certain help in answer further question you have. The only way we could have come to that perfect state of life is having some perfect like Adam die that is why someone had to died for us.

Answer 5

It is not a rule. Jesus was fully human, but also fully God. It was his human side that freely chose to give his life out of love for mankind. It was only a pure act of love that could save mankind from eternal death.

You see a God appeased by a blood sacrifice. I see an act of love that resulted in conquering death. As such, those who believe have hope that the death of our physical bodies is not the end, but merely a transition into eternal life.

Not to downplay the seriousness of your question, but yes, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus is a mystery.

Answer 6

Basically, the reason Jesus had to die for our sins was so that we could be forgiven and go to be with the Lord. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9) and only God can satisfy the Law requirements of a perfect life and perfect sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins.
All people have sinned against God. But, God is infinitely holy and righteous. He must punish the sinner, the Law breaker. If He didn't, then His law is not law for there is no law that is a law without a punishment. The punishment for breaking the Law is death, separation from God. Therefore, we sinners need a way to escape the righteous judgment of God. Since we are stained by sin and cannot keep the Law of God, then the only one who could do what we cannot is God Himself. That is why Jesus is God in flesh. He is both divine and human. He was made under the Law (Gal. 4:5-6) and He fulfilled it perfectly. Therefore, His sacrifice to God the Father on our behalf is of infinite value and is sufficient to cleanse all people from their sins and undo the offense to God.

Answer 7

Long before the Christians and Hebrews were even thought about, all sort of beliefs about god and gods were created. It seems that the idea of having a god that would 'suffer for all mankind' became popular and many of the religions used that idea for their god. Over time, it became a requirement for all of them.

Answer 8

You're missing nothing. It's sheer lunacy.

God made the rule that we all go to Hell for breaking the laws he made. He then said we can get off if he died for us. Which he then did. He then said that only actually applies if you still follow his laws. He expects to be praised and worshipped for this.

Nope, there's no reason he couldn't just have said "Hey, you can all get into Heaven now" from the get-go.

Answer 9

Sacrifice for sins is a very old concept developed by God, not man.

What do stars have to do with our sin? Woulda shoulda coulda. God did what he did and to suggest that it is inadequate is to doubt him. The sacrifice isnt for you anyway, its for him. Let him worry about it.

There is a difference between sacrifice and suicide. With sacrifice, yes youre probably going to die but its going to help a greater cause to help others. Suicide is to just simply kill yourself and doesnt help anybody in anyway.

He sent his son as a sacrifice because that was going to be the ultimate blood sacrifice for all sins.

Answer 10

I guess you don't understand sin for what it really is.

The Bible says that our righteousness is as filthy rags before God, so you can not imagine just how wretched sin is.

Sin is SOOOO bad, that God sees it necessary to atone for sin with blood. Can you even imagine just how wicked that must be?

He uses the life of an innocent to cover the sins of the guilty.

He COULD have let YOU pay the penalty for your OWN sins (crimes against God), but (according to John 3:16-17), "God loved the world so much, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in (trust in, clings to, and relies on) Him will never perish (spend eternity in Hell), but have everlasting life. When God sent His Son into the world, it wasn't to condemn the world, but to save it." (I added the words in parenthesis because the english translation doesn't fully satisfy the full depth of meaning from the original Greek.)

In other words, God loves YOU. You deserve the penalty. You've earned it. The wages of sin is death. But God doesn't want that for you, so He took upon Himself to pay that penalty FOR you. That's how much He loves you.

You can go on through your life and completely ignore His Love call to you if you want. He'll never force you. But if you ever come to the place where you see God's love for you, and you confess and repent of your sins, He will gladly take you and adopt you into His Forever family.

Again, sin is so utterly sinful, that the ONLY thing God could do is to judge that sin, and rather than allowing that judgement to fall where it rightly deserves - on YOU, He covered your sins with His own blood when he came to earth as a man.

Jim Elliot once said, "It is no fool who will give up that which he can not keep, in order to gain that which he can not lose."

I pray that you'll see God's great Love and respond to it.

I quoted John 3:16-17, now look at the last part of that scripture, John 3:18 says, "Whoever believes in the Son of God shall not be condemned, but whoever does NOT believe in the Son of God is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (19) And this is the condemnation, that Light (Jesus) has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil."