religion = science?

Question

god and the higher realms are visited by shamens and prophets, why are they so hard to exept for people? i know that the universe is dark and its hard to think about light existing in a non-existant place but still it exists. the universe is vast, unlimeted, and eternal so why cant human be the same way? or something called "god" be the same way? do you atheists ever look into flowers and lightbulbs and wonder if this light is real and how it exists in people? are we just more thatn animals?

can we achive power and peace and stop this ongoing war and create a heaven on earth?

we all have a great power that we can achive and i see know that humanity has fallen afr from the heavens and are to ignorant to follow gods rule.

phycolical dosposition can lead to creational and dimensional benefits.

Answer 1

Your casting pearls before swine.
I do it too, but to save yourself some heartache perhaps you should try to place it in a more sublime package.
You can throw a thousand life preservers, but if the drowner is not aware he is drowning, or refuses the gift out of pride there is nothing more you can do.

Answer 2

I'm not quite sure what this question is asking. Therefore, I'm just going to be mature and make fun of it.

1> Let's start from the first sentence: "god and the higher realms are visited..." the structure of this sentence (and most of the other sentences in this grammatically excruciating paragraph) seems to say that god is an area that can be visited. Immediately, I'm thinking about an amusement park, filled with shiny, cloud-covered thrill rides with bustling lines of animal-skin wearing shamans and toga-clad prophets. God and the Higher Realms...that would make an excellent prog-rock band name.

2> "...light existing in a non-existent place..." this whole sentence makes my brain hurt. How can anything exist in a location that does not exist? This must be one of those Zen koan where the emptiness is not empty or the negative is actually the positive. Someone, one hand is clapping just for the paradox opened by this crazy sentence.

3> Only one word is necessary for the "universe is vast...so why can't human..." comment: hippy. I'm serious, why is it so necessary to think that human kind is anything other than a sentient being that at this moment in time exists; a collection of cells that lives then dies. Just because the universe is vast, there is no logical reason why one would suppose that humans are anything resembling eternity. I'll grant you that we may be "unlimeted" but that's only because it is a made up word and could mean "can use any citrus fruit other than lime."

4> The second to last sentence is just stupid. Not just because I'm being mean (which I am) but because there is a HUGE logical leap from someone observing a light bulb (light source) or flower (non-light producing item, unless you're talking about a rose bush on fire) to determining the real-ness of light and its existence in people. People do not produce light. If you're talking about spirituality, then you're talking about faith, in which case we can just throw out logic and just state that we're feeling like we possess a light, or we are imbued with a cosmic light, or whatever else Chopra taught ya.

5> Are we more than just animals? Finally, the crux of the argument is evident in the last sentence. The need to feel that humanity is more than just a biological species has been a problem for mankind. Thus, we devise moral systems, religious codes, and any other system of belief that raises us up from simple beings to members of a cosmic timeline that elevates the human condition from mere survival to member of a master plan. Unfortunately, these philosophical thoughts are also divisive. If you believe, good for you. If you don't, bully for you too. However, don't try to battle back and forth, because there's really nothing to be gained.

This answer was a waste of time. Thank goodness for the question though because it burned up 15 minutes of boredom. My company thanks you.

Answer 3

"Science is proof without certainty.
Religion is certainty without proof."

When science wants an answer, it makes observations, formulates a hypothesis based on the observations, and tests it against the real world. When religion wants an answer, it proclaims, "goddidit," or "godsaidit," and prohibits testing against the real world.

They could not be more unequal.

> are we just more thatn animals?

Science, so far, has found no indication whatsoever that we are more than just exceptionally clever animals. Some religions claim we are more than animals, but offer no justification for this claim other than egotism and wishful thinking.

> can we achive power and peace and stop this ongoing war
> and create a heaven on earth?

I certainly hope so. However, religion has utterly, utterly failed at that task. Sam Harris thinks that we can achieve a science-based peace, but most people consider science a value-neutral discipline whose end products (i.e., technology) can be *used* for good or for evil.

Unlike religion, science has certainly provided the tools to build heaven on earth. Also unlike religion, science has provided the capacity for us to destroy each other--and ourselves in the process. But science has not provided any justification to destroy each other, something that religion cannot wash its hands of. If anything, science has shown us just how precarious our place in the cosmos is, showing us the critical importance that we stop killing each other.

I think the key to world peace is education.

> we all have a great power that we can achive and i see
> know that humanity has fallen afr from the heavens and
> are to ignorant to follow gods rule.

We have been spectacularly unable to ascertain God's rule, or even that there is a god at all. The closest religion has come to a universal god-given rule is the Golden Rule, but they offer no evidence that this rule came from any god. Science, however, explains through logic and shows by experiment how evolution instilled in us this instinctive Rule. Various religions claim that humankind has fallen from grace. Evolution teaches us that we were never perfect to begin with, but developed the moral "fitness" necessary to survive as social creatures.

> phycolical dosposition can lead to creational and
> dimensional benefits.

Say what?

Anyway, to repeat, science and religion could not be more unequal.

@josephwiess - Science is our religion? Oh yeah, we pray to the law of gravity, make sacrifices to the theory of relativity, hold weekly worship services at the shrine of Darwin, and light votive Bunsen burners for the molecules of our dearly departed.

Answer 4

Since I'm a Christian, may I answer as well?


Religion = science = religion.

Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end-result. There are higher levels of existance that we can not hear, see, or even prove.

Faith is trusting the evidence of things unseen.

Science has proven that there is gravity and that air is made of nitrogen/oxygen with a smattering of argon.

Faith is knowing that it did not get that way by accident, and that it will be the same tomorrow when I leave the house.\

For those that don't believe in God, doesn't science become a religion instead?

Answer 5

I don't need god to see the light. I don't need religion to know that it's there (which science has proved time and time again). If I need a question answered, I prefer a credible, proven source. Yes, we are animals. We eat, sleep, need shelter, and procreate in order to ensure the survival of the species. Anything else is irrelevant to the inconvenient truth that all living things must die in order to make room for the next generation.

Answer 6

In many respects we seem to be less than animals.

The arrogance of man, standing on this tiny, insignificant pebble in the universe, gazing across the galaxies and imagining that he has all the answers, never ceases to amuse me.

Answer 7

When I look at a bird fly, see a dog run and a horse gallop; when i see the glory of a flower - I see just how magnificent evolution is. I do not need any supernatural to make magic in nature.

Answer 8

religion-man-made group of people that believes the same belief vs. science that God has given people knowledge to learn and understand how things work people that has never accepted Jesus are blinded and in darkness lost to the realization of the truth and cant see the light

Answer 9

Your question presupposes that everything we have difficulty explaining requires a supernatural answer. By your thinking, ancient peoples were correct when they decided that storms were caused by a thunder god. You're going to have to do a lot better than that if you want people to follow your (il)logic.

Answer 10

I have never looked into a light bulb and thought, 'this must have been created by some sort of 'God'

Because it wasn't.