Atheist and agnostics, where did the first atom come from?

Question

If you say it just always existed. That dog just doesn't hunt. Time is a measure of movement and each atom has movement because of energy. Pick any point and say it began here, where did it get the energy to start? Without a Creator, where did a single atom begin?

God is a spirit and not subject to time. This is a created dimension.

The Bible says He made it from nothing. In physics usually when something is created there is also another half. Maybe the black holes are the other half of matter. That means that if matter enters a black hole, it is not held by gravity, but goes back to nothing. I know it is not a linear system as one answer stated. Einstein's equations makes that clear. So why do we measure distance outside of our galaxy as though it was linear? The reason this question was asked was to try to make you think. The summary is that I have an answer based on the Bible and you don't. As far as being stupid, match my IQ with most.

Answer 1

This question assumes a finite, limited, and linear universe. I do not agree this is the case.

Answer 2

LOL! First atom! Like the Adam Atom?

OMG this made my morning. Thank you.

edit: I see. When things dwell outside of time, they no longer need a creator. Well, there's your answer then. Time began with the Big Bang. At that point matter was infinitely compressed, and relativity tells us time was too. Therefore, "before"* that event, mass-energy existed outside of time. By your rule, it then did not need a creator.

Problem solved.

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* Not that there can be a "before", so say "outside" if that helps.

Answer 3

It cuts both ways.

If nothing can exist without a creator, where did your Creator come from?

And if things CAN exist without needing a creator, and time and again humanity has been dead wrong about the natural world needing supernatural causes, what makes you think you're going to be right THIS time?

Can you name a SINGLE instance in the past where Science has clashed with Faith (e.g.; Earth being the center of the universe, the world being flat, the Sun orbiting Earth, etc.) and Science DIDN'T beat seven shades of it out of Faith?

Answer 4

I don't know and science has never claimed to have an absolute answer to that.

Why is it that theists get away with saying "God has always existed" but try to refute the same argument made by evolutionist when the shoe is on the other foot?

Answer 5

This question is easy to answer. Energy and all particles originate from nothing that is something. THAT origin is the SUPERNATURAL. The universe is a NATURAL existence and so it MUST have an origin. But He who rules the supernatural and causes natural things to "be" , is not subject to the science of reality in the sense of origin because He doesn't exist but He does exist.

Answer 6

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, only converted. Therefore, matter must have always existed. Matter is composed of atoms, and the matter was in a hot, dense state which caused it to expand and voila-the big bang.

Answer 7

The first atom came from exactly the same place a religious person will tell that God came from: I don't really know!

Answer 8

Why is it that the "it just always existed" argument can't be used for one thing, but you can use it to argue the existance of god?

Who created god? He just existed? Why is it possible for one thing to exist without a creator but something else needs a creator to exist?

Answer 9

And who created the creator? If you can say that God was always there, why can't we say that the mass of the universe has always been there? Why does there need to be another absolute? Sorry, your argument is unoriginal.

Answer 10

I understand why you dislike science, since you seem to have no understanding of it. This theistic argument should convince all people who believe in god, but no one who does not. If only you knew a little about science.