If the gospels of Jesus are not original the Bible cannot be revelation can it?

Question

The story of Jesus is plagiarised from earlier messiah precursors like Krishna and Horus, Horus has an identical story that was told millenia before the Jesus story arrived on the scene.

by vairge99: you do your religion no favours by continuing to quote Josephus, even most Christian scholars accept that the passage about Jesus in the writings of Josephus is a fake.

Answer 1

The point is that it is just a story.

There is no independent evidence that a man called Jesus ever lived, and it appears most unlikely that he did. The story was not written for at least two generations after he died, so there were no contemporary accounts at all.

It is not surprising that a story like this borrows from others known at the time. A lot of fiction does this.

Answer 2

As a Gnostic I’ve studied this and it’s certain that Christianity borrowed heavily from Zoroastrianism. Mithras predates Gnostics and Gnostics predate Christianity.

In fact the “Magi” or wise men from the east were certainly Zoroastrians and in all likelihood were added to the story after the fact in an effort to credibly receive validation from the Zoroastrian faith.

From Gnostic philosophy one comes to see that nothing physical is in fact divine. Therefore the literal physical events are secondary to the spiritual events. Since all spiritual things are outside of our spatial reality and outside time spiritually inspired prophecy can and does foretell future events. A spiritual event will create echoes of itself throughout history, the bigger the event the stronger the echoes.

The concept of the savior God is common in most cultures. A few would be Anhur, Heracles, Hercules, Horus, Houyi, Mithras , Odin, Susanoo, and Zeus. All have similarities to the story of Jesus one way or another. For example Odin was tied upside down on the one tree in a form of crucifixion, after nine days without food or water he received a revelation “from a Word to a Word I was led to a Word” which led to written language. Even the symbology associated with “Word” indicates a revelation from something beyond Odin just as Jesus the “Word” received knowledge from the invisible “Father.”

The story of Jesus is simply the strongest echo of the spiritual event known as “Christ” the second strongest was Mithras the third Melchesidec etc. The physical manifestation is extreme and secondary to the personal manifestation where people come to understand the Christ principle from any source that is understandable to their experience and ability to comprehend.

Christianity is intended to be a simplification because everyone should be able to understand love. But people desire a God of war and confrontation, wielding domination, judgment, and punishment. Men desiring to worship Mars have ever found ways to bend the teachings of Jesus until he has become Mars. A rose by any other name smells as sweet. Any outside observer has to look at Christianity and wonder how it went from “Love your enemies” and “Turn the other cheek” to “Those that aren’t with us are against us” and “an eye for an eye”

I hope people will again understand what John meant by “If we know nothing else we know that God is love.” It is the standard we must test all our assumptions of what God expects from us against. If we agree that God is love then we know when given two choices to choose the more loving of the two. I have so much more to say but …

God love you all.

SORRY TO CUT AND PASTE MY ANSWER FROM ANOTHER QUESTION BUT IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE.



Blessed Be!

Answer 3

I guess I'd like to see the plagiarism. Show me the passages. And tell me where the documents are (if they are thousands of years old) because from my study, there are several historical sources that are non-Biblical that record the story of Jesus (the primary author being Josephus), and those documents physically exist.

Answer 4

The scriptures pretell the sacrifice of the Messiah right from Genesis through to Malachi. The others to which you refer are imitations of what was written in these earlier documents. They are designed to trick the gullable, like yourself, into believing all is fiction.

The book of Job is considered by many to be the oldest book ever written to have survived to this age, and just how long ago it may have been written is anyones guess. In it, the principles of death and resurection are clearly laid out iun full accord with the later teachings of Yahushua (whom most Christians unwittingly call 'Jesus')

Even with the systematic removal of proper names from scripture (all of those whose names are based upon or contain the name of the father Yahuwah), does not distort the message itself in any way as to deminish its authority and holiness.

But those responsible for the distortion, Yahuwah will rebuke them for it when he returns.

Now I have studied and taught Yoga and the vedas etc. There is very little from it that one might say was plagerised in the scriptures. Plenty has been plagerised in many of the churches however. Non-scriptural idioms such as: Immortality of the soul; pergatory; eternal hellfire; ghosts; plurality of the godhead; and so on.

As for the Egyptian trinity, this is also adopted by todays churches. The RCC hold these very close with the letters "IHS", which openly they say means "In His Service", but is in reality a veiled embracing of "Isis, Horus & Seth"

Even the scriptures refer to pagan trinities such as the Ba'als (Ishtar {Queen of heaven}, Ba'al-Nimrod & Tamuz)

The issue is therefore not so much about what scripture has borrowed from other pagan religions, but rather how the churches that proport to uphold scripture, have defiled themselves with pagan gods, symbols and idioms.

In the end, if you seek to understand scripture and what it means, and how it reveals the face of Yahuwah, the scriptures reveal the complete timeline of mankind, past present and future.

But to those who get wrapped up in the deceptive religous practices of todays 'Christian' churches, what can you reveal to one who is blind?

Yahushua Shalom
Stephen

Answer 5

I have seen a list which circulates frequently that claims to saw all these "weird" similarities between Lincoln and Kennedy. Both elected in years that ended with 60. both have seven letters in their last name. Both followed by a President named Johnson. One shot in a theater and the other's killer captured in a theater (that one is "iffy"), etc.

But if you sit down and compare the details of their lives, there are major differences between their lives. Someone just managed to find a handful of things they can make seem the same when properly listed.

So it might be possible to find some points of similarity between the Gospels and some other religious leaders. If you take and compare any two religious leaders, they will have at least one thing in common - they are religious leaders.

If Jesus was "the next" in a long lind of myths, then his myth accomplished something that none of the other ever did. It when from noexistence to millions of followers in a single decade. Within 10 years of the resurrection of Jesus, and before any of the "Gospels" had been written, Jesus was so famous that the Jewish leaders where having to exile his followers from Israel. They would found the Coptic community which still exist today in Egypt.

If Jesus never lived, never taught to multitudes, never did miracles, never entered Jerusalem to the cheers of the multitide, never was arrested, never died on the cross, surely the people living right there in the city where he supposedly did all those things would know that he never did them. That he was just a 'myth". Yet history shows that within a decade of the events those people where following him by the hundreds of thousands. Most estimates place the Christian community at the time at around 3-4 million. All people who would have known first hand whether or not Jesus existed.

Within 30 years of his resurrection, his fame had spread to where the Roman Emporer (Nero) was having to write edits to ban the belief.

By 73AD he was famous enough that he was being listed alongside Plato and Socrates as an example of someone whose unjust execution had changed the world.

The historian Josephius (who was a contemporary of Jesus) was recording not only details of Jesus' life, but of his cousin John the Baptist, and of the death of his brother James. Kind of hard for historians to record as facts the details of a "myth" and his family.

The Jewish Talmud, written in 70AD, by the enemies of Jesus confirmed that he was a real person who did miracles and who his disciples claimed raised from the dead. If Jesus was only a "myth", which would his enemies be repeating his stories as fact? Many of those writing would have been alive during the time of Jesus' ministry. If Jesus never did any of those things, why would they have said so?

When you read through the gospels, Jesus is placed in real time and space. And the time and space in which the writers lived. As close as the writings were to the actual events, it would be very simple to confirm or deny them. While many documents still survive which riducule the faith, or demonize it as a flase cult, not a single document can be found that questions the existence of the person Jesus.

There are hundreds of examples of "myths" in society. But none that appear with the suddeness that Jesus did. He when from non-existence to multitudes of followers in a single generations. "Myths" do not develop that suddenly. They take generations and generations, with their stories appearing in multiple forms and growing and changing with the telling.

But here is the story of Jesus which explodes on the scene in a single generation, in final form. Something that has not happened before or since in human history.

A more logical explaniation is that events recorded in the Gospel actually happened and are accurately recorded.

Answer 6

I don't remember much of Horus being taught today. Legends fade away. But Jesus fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies, so many in fact that it couldn't be a coincidence.

Answer 7

That's why you need the Holy Spirit when you read the Bible...
Jesus story is not a plagerism, it is truth (sorry you left it wide open)

Answer 8

Christians claim only they have the truth, but I have yet to see anything original in Christianity. Just one single thing, anything. The whole lot was snatched and repackaged.

Answer 9

My anti-christian friend, Those of us who believe in Christ know that many resemble Jesus Christ the messiah, but he is the Messiah and Savior of man kind for the Glory of God.

Answer 10

Regardless of the antiChristian websites' propaganda, there are not all that many similarities.

Christians, can we come up with our own version of their drinking game for this question? Grape juice, maybe?