Question for theists: How can you explain the origin of complexity with a prior greater complexity?

Question

How does this possibly make sense to you?

Obviously you can't. Therefore theism can not explain the problem of complexity it compounds it.

Deof Movestofca: well at least you tried to answer it. You are wrong though. An example is Woframs rule 110 which is just one short line of compute code whci generates more local complexity than our entire galaxy. The key is selection effects. You have to select the local complexity within the simplicity.

Ward yes and in fact I think there is a good explaination of why occam's razor works:

http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks/docs/occam/

http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks/docs/occam/

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.0646v1.pdf

Answer 1

You have greater faith in the sophistication of this crowd than I have. I cannot imagine you're going to get a well-reasoned response from anyone here. Perhaps in Philosophy or Biology (where there may be a well-read creationist), but not here.

And in reality, each concocted argument against your premise is full of holes.

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Answer 2

I'm an atheist- but I'll take a stab at it.

The universe evolved over 100 Billion years. Creating a multitude of species strewn across its vast distances. Eventually, due to some interspecies, intergalactic sexual perversions, new, highly intelligent (but very ugly) species were created.

The universe aged and even the smaller stars in the older galaxies eventually went white dwarf, then brown dwarf. There were fewer and fewer places to live, but those great beings that survived, were truly the most amazing creatures who had ever existed in the galaxy. Part being, part interstellar galactic computer which lived in an alternate dimension, they learned how to bend space and time.

The final remaining creature (let's call him Yaweh), lived on until the final star used all it's remaining hydrogen. The universe was strewn with dead matter, black holes, neutron stars, brown dwarfs and long dead rocks.

Yaweh bent time and space and brought all the matter and energy into a singularity which made a big bang, and started a new universe. Yaweh, of course, hid out in a separate dimension while all this was going on. He came back to set the laws of physics right again, and provide all the makings of a new universe (ours).

Answer 3

It appears that you believe in Ockham's razor

Here is the summary from Wikipedia:
Occam's razor: ...a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae ("law of parsimony" or "law of succinctness").

Cheers

Answer 4

It makes more sense to ponder that than to believe the integrated complexity of the cell or DNA accidentally bumped into just the right nitch continuously putting our fingernails on our fingers-hands and eyelashes on eyelids, etc.

(Baritone-it doesn't take a Brain Surgeon to compare giving credit to multiple(eons of) accidents for the human being or a Creator of the human being just faith)

(Ichatus-the only problem with that beauty is the possibilty of it, being vastly remote)

Answer 5

That sound you hear is the theists scratching their heads...

Excellent question.

spareo1: That's the beauty of evolution - it allows for complexity without an intelligent designer. Unintelligent design, you might say...

Answer 6

How does a "hyperspherical " universe (basically the universe is one big sphere) make sense? it's hypothesis

Answer 7

Because it makes more sense than believing any complexity came out of non-complexity.

Answer 8

i am not theist and i dont know what the hell are you talking about...do i have to explain that as well??

Answer 9

Well it's complicated.