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Work with me:

If god is not responsible for evil, then he is not responsible for all things.

If god is not responsible for all things, then god is not all things.

And if god is not all things, then god is not god.

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Hm. This sounds so good, I just know there's something wrong with it. Help!

Answer 1

Logic....

Facts...

Reason...

Don't you know these are to tools of the Devil?

Answer 2

God is responsible for everything, both good and bad. God created Satan, numerous bad angels, and billions of human beings to disrupt the order of the world, purposely, to teach His servants, the prophets, the apostles and the saints, the difference between right and wrong, so that by abiding in righteousness, they might attain to Eternal Life. This was part of His plan for the ages.

Your question has been answered by the Bible that God gave to mankind to describe how God thinks, how He acts, and how He deals with His creations. (among thousands of other things) Here are just a few verses which demonstrate God's authority over everything.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Romans 9:18 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for the vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory;

Romans 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use?

Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.

Job 37:13 Whether for correction, or for his land, or for love, he causes it to happen.

Ecclesiastes 9: 1: But all this I laid to heart, examining it all, how the righteous and the wise and their deeds are in the hand of God; whether it is love or hate man does not know. Everything before them is vanity.

Lamentations 3:37 Who has commanded and it came to pass, unless the Lord has ordained it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and evil come?

1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him

Psalm 139:11 If I say,"Let only darkness cover me, and the light about me be night," even the darkness is not dark to you, the night is bright as the day; for darkness is as light with you.

Job 12:4 With God are wisdom and might; he has counsel and understanding. If he tears down, none can rebuild; if he shuts a man in, none can open. If he withholds the waters, they dry up; if he sends them out, they overwhelm the land. With him are strength and wisdom; the deceived and the deceiver are his.

Ecclesiastes 7:13 Consider the work of God; who can make straight what he has made crooked?

Answer 3

You've just discovered one of the many differences between Judaism and Christianity.

Christianity separates God (yet AGAIN) by taking out the capacity for creating evil from Him.

Judaism has always held that God creates good AND evil, and there is none else besides Him who does this.

Christians actually have, as a result of their dividing up God like that, TWO co-creator gods. One who creates good, and one who creates evil. God and Satan.

In Judaism, Satan never rebelled against God , never has attempted to wipe out God's kingdom and take it over. This is something Christianity came up with from sticking together some unrelated verses in the Jewish Torah, and coming up with the idea.

The Satan, in Judaism, is a title. It means "the adversary" and this means to MAN, not to God. HaSatan acts as a kind of "prosecuting attorney" who brings our Book of Life before God when we die, in an attempt to keep God from judging us favorably. He also does whatever GOD instructs him to, being an obedient, God-loving angel. He doesn't do anything on his own, and he is not capable of creating evil. He is just an angel of God, nothing more.

Here is what it says in the Jewish Torah:

Isaiah 45:5-7

"I am YHVH and there is no other; other than me there is no God; I will gird you though you did not know Me, in order that those from east and west would know that there is *nothing* besides Me; I am YHVH and there is *no other*.

I am the One who forms light and creates darkness, who makes peace AND CREATES EVIL; I am YHVH, Maker of all these."

The word there is "ra" which means evil. It doesn't mean "catastrophe" or "disaster" or anything else that the Christians have it translated as. It means EVIL, period.

But Christianity has a propensity for carving God up into pieces, including separating out from God the ability to create evil.

Judaism has never done this, but has always stayed with what God gave in the Torah about it. I believe that this can be seen in the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls, that this is still the same in our Torah today, as it was then. Letter for letter, word for word.

So just to let you know the differences there. Hope this has been helpful.

Answer 4

1. God is not responsible for evil (true)
2. God is not responsible for all things (true, we are responsible for our own actions.)
3. God is not all things (true, whoever said he was, that would just be silly, God is not a liar, dishonest, evil,etc..)
4. If God is not all things, God is not God (wrong, that would imply that God is evil, which he is not of course. Quite the opposite is true, God is God because he is not those things).

Answer 5

O.k. Let's get something straight once and for all. God is the creator and master of all. Period. God created the heavens and the earth. Dealing only with Heaven, God's dwelling place, he could create angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc. One of the angels he created was one named Lucifer. This was the top notch, number one angel of them all, glorious, beautiful, smart, and all that. (His name is the root from which we get luminous, luminary, and others, all meaning Light) He thought, however, that because he was so special he could be like God, or even God. He tried to get other angels to "overthrow" God in a rebellion. It didn't work. Lucifer and his angels were cast out of heaven. (The rest is a long story) Suffice to say Lucifer is still working, now in the world and in the hearts of people, to at least, get everyone to reject God and, hopefully diminish His sovereignty. Lucifer is the source of all evil in the world.
In the movie "Bruce Almighty," Bruce is given all of God's power. But, he is told, he cannot mess with Free Will. That is, God has placed on himself the restriction that he will not interfere with the choices Man makes. (If you are P.C. then I have to add the choices Woman makes too)
So, to follow your argument. God is not responsible for evil, Lucifer is. But we have choices. If presented with a choice between good and evil, if we choose evil, that is not God's fault, it is our own. If Hitler wants to kill Jews, or Sadam wants to kill Shiites, that's their choice. Could God stop these madmen. Yes, but He won't.
By the way, when Lucifer was cast out of heaven, he had a place to go, it was called Sheol, or Hell. Most people are of the opinion that that is a place opposite from Heaven, where the Devil (Lucifer) reigns. Not so. I know (believe) and Lucifer knows, not he, but God, reigns in hell. Thus, ultimately, by creating Lucifer in the first place, God is in fact responsible for evil and thus is, in fact God.

Answer 6

Have you ever heard of chain of command and delegation of responsibility? You will understand it better if you read the correct account Jesus gave us in The Apocryphon of John. The breach that was created by satan will be rectified when God is good and ready. In the meantime take advantage of the opportunity you have been given.

Answer 7

God is responsible for all things and evil came through God's creation and within the realm of his permissive will.
You do have a problem with the logic that God is all things.
God is not creation creation does come from God and free will does enable man to sin...It does not equate to God is sin.

Answer 8

Good, evil, and responsible are human concepts, and are not applicable to God.

Humans are responsible for themselves.

Society is responsible for defining Good and Evil for it's members.

Answer 9

I remember reading about one of the well known jewish rabbis discussing about how that one should not unduly focus on the "good-ness" of, and overly humanize God.

God's Goodness in this belief is in the fact that all existance is a beneficient gift, and that God forgives, and gives more chances to progress and improve ourselves.

Answer 10

define evil-ask 10 people and see how many different answers you get
how does God define evil...has he told you lately...or do you just accept what others call evil as evil?

it is called free will.....our actions result in consequences both good and bad....we choose to do what we should do or not

Answer 11

The usual question is this: "If God exists, and he is almighty, wise, and loving, then why does he permit wickedness and suffering?"
Now, if anyone would sincerely like to know the answer here is a link to how this is answered from the Bible: