Someone actually just wrote this in answer to a "Big Bang" question. Can you spot the flaw in logic?

Question

I won't say who wrote this, apparently that's against the TOS but suffice to say that this person posts a lot here.
On to his answer;

"Seems to me that it takes a lot of faith to believe that the Universe just "came about" from a "Big bang" that "just Happened" From a Big bang that took place from "nothing."

Amazing isn't it? This person finds it difficult to believe that anything came from nothing (and I agree).
Yet when he reads in his bible that god just "made" the universe out of nothing, he has no problem with that.
Am I missing something? Is this some massive joke?
Can people really be this ignorant and still have enough intellect to type on a keyboard?

Answer 1

I have asked a lot of religious people "if nothing can come from nothing then where did god come from". They have absolutely, positively, 100% NO ANSWER for that.

In fact, they totally ignore the whole question. They don't really care.

Answer 2

Have you ever read that one quote telling people not to believe something just because it conforms to their beliefs? Well the person said that because it happens, A LOT! So because it is in with his beliefs, he undoubtedly believes it. Now I guess one COULD argue God made everything with his power or part of himself, which isn't nothing. But then the age old question of how He was created comes about. But i don't think the problem here is about this seemingly condtradicting beliefs. I think the REAL problem is words :) Yes, words. Let's take take this situation to the bear minimal. So the first statement is that something (in this case the something is nothing) created (via big bang) the universe out of nothing. Now his belief: Something (in this case God) created the universe from nothing. So you see you both believe in the EXACT SAME THING! "Something created the universe from nothing" :). Why do you have to get so concerned over names "WHOMG! THE NAME SHOULD BE NOTHING NOT THE GOD!!!!!1111shift+1!!"

Answer 3

I know what you mean but i think he ment, that the big bang happened by chance, and that its hard to believe that there was no reason behind it, where as with God there is a purpose for life. Maybe, just a guess!!!!

there are no facts about how God made the world just as the bing bang theory isnt a fact. its an arguement that just goes in a circle, I would never say to anyone prove the big bang, just as i wouldn't ask someone to prove the exsisitance of God, it's just not possible right now.

Answer 4

Claim CI200:
Every event has a cause. The universe itself had a beginning, so it must have had a first cause, which must have been a creator God.
Source:
Craig, W. L., 1994. Reasonable Faith: Christian truth and apologetics, Crossway Books, Wheaton IL.
Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 19-20.
Response:

1. The assumption that every event has a cause, although common in our experience, is not necessarily universal. The apparent lack of cause for some events, such as radioactive decay, suggests that there might be exceptions. There are also hypotheses, such as alternate dimensions of time or an eternally oscillating universe, that allow a universe without a first cause.

2. By definition, a cause comes before an event. If time began with the universe, "before" does not even apply to it, and it is logically impossible that the universe be caused.

3. This claim raises the question of what caused God. If, as some claim, God does not need a cause, then by the same reasoning, neither does the universe.

Answer 5

It takes a little while to sort out the sarcasm from the honest answers, it is harder though when honest answers start looking sarcastic.

To me there seems to be a lot of thumb in bum and mind in neutral, no actual brain activity before the fingers do the typing.

I will not bag the bible because I have never read it, but it burns better than newspaper and at least the newspaper has comics.

The masters I prefer to serve are Calvin & Hobbes, such insight

Answer 6

The Big Bang did NOT necessarily start from "nothing." No one knows what was in that spot BEFORE the explosion, or what triggered it.

One theory is that there's enough "dark matter" in the universe that we can't measure, to cause the outward expansion to cease someday, and then reverse direction, due to gravitational forces. In which case everything may end up reaching its point of origin simultaneously someday -- resulting in yet ANOTHER Big Bang.

IOW -- this may be a **cyclical** event... but a cycle so long as to be beyond our wildest comprehension.

Answer 7

Dude, do you understand what faith is? It sure take faith to believe any origin theory.

Christians and other faiths believe that the sentient powerful being called God created the universe

You seem to believe that everything in the universe popped out of nothing by no cause.

Sure seems to take a lot more Faith to believe a non-causal origin than an intelligent design origin.

This is America, you are welcome to believe that the Easter bunny created the world if you like. But don't be surprised that the world doesn't climb aboard your mystery ship of no evidentiary support.

Face it, your religion is Evolution. You have no evidence for your imagined origins, just a faith in nothing.

Answer 8

I don't know who wrote that but I can't really agree with you're opinion. Believers readily acknowledge they don't know God's origins.They call it faith. Science on the other hand believes all can be explained with facts and logic, but has failed to do so.Science doesn't know where the material that started the big bang came from.

Answer 9

I think you are missing something, and it has to do with your understanding of "God." It's the same problem people have when they say, "I just can't believe God could have created the world in only 6 days." The question you need to ask yourself is "What is meant by the word "God"?"

I believe in God. He is all -powerful and has always existed. It is no problem for me, by extension, to believe that he created the world out of a void or that he did it in 6 days or even 6 seconds. Yes, it takes faith in God to believe.

The person you reference is pointing out that it also takes faith to believe in a Big Bang, but that faith is in what exactly? Science? That seems a more difficult faith to sustain.

Blessings.

Answer 10

As far as I am concerned it is a rather naive strawman. I don't believe in gods or that anything "took place from nothing".

The fallacy here it seems to me is a failure to understand the layered nature of our understanding of reality.At one time people understood nature to consist of large objects. Gradually we understood that the large objects consisted of atoms and molecules. Eventually we understood the atoms consisted of sub-atomic particles. Today most physicists believe the particles consist of mathematical string like objects.

Many people not extremely well versed with contemporary physics research however still do not realize that time and space themselves are likely built upon an underlying layer. There is no "nothing" that becomes space-time, just an static timeless underlying layer which we interpret as dynamic space changing with time..

Answer 11

it's a dodgy argument, and it can't be definitive evidence for a faith. then again, maybe s/he doesn't feel they need that evidence.
what i would say is, if something cannot come from nothing naturally, the only other alternative (if you need an alternative) is to assume a supernatural cause - hence God.
As far as i know, there is only natural, and supernatural - nothing else.

So a supernatural explanation could be one reason the person said this - it couldn't occur natrually, but with the supernatural, we'ree into a whole different territory, where that could work.

but i guess it depends on your POV. im just trying to offer a different idea here.