will Christians finally shut the hell up with Intelligent Design Argument to prove God's existence?

Question

1)Complexity does not imply design.

2)Tho even there was Intelligent Design, that does not prove the existence of God.

Voltaire said:
"From this one argument, I cannot conclude anything more, except that it is probable that an intelligent and superior being has prepared and shaped matter with dexterity; I cannot conclude from this argument alone that this being has made the matter out of nothing or that he is infinite in any sense (i.e. that he is God)".

3)If everything has to have a designer, who designed God?

4)Incoherence. George H.Smith states in his book, Atheism: The Case Against God:
"to claim that nature as a whole was designed is to destroy the basis by which we differentiate between artifacts and natural objects. Evidences of design are those characteristics not found in nature, so it is impossible to produce evidence of design within the context of nature itself".

full version here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_argument#Does_not_prove_the_existence_of_God

Answer 1

While a fine argument that there is a higher power, I believe it falls short of what Christians are seeking.

I believe the better argument is the Transcendental argument for the existence of the triune God of the Bible. That only the Christian worldview makes any sense and that all other worldviews (Atheism, Buddhism, Islam, etc), if carried out to their logical conclusions, will be reduced to either absurdity, arbitrariness or inconsistency.

Answer 2

So...basically what it boils down to is, "It LOOKS like it was designed, but it couldn't be!"

Allow me to use an analogy, borrowed from Lee Strobel (because you know how we Christians can't think for ourselves):
Two anthropologists are on a dig, and they find the fossilized remains of what appears to be a dinosaur. Every single bone is there, and it's pretty obvious what it is. One of the anthropologists says, "WOW, look at this, a perfect specimen of a dinosaur!" And the other guy says, "No, it couldn't be. I don't believe in dinosaurs, so there's got to be another explanation." The first anthropologist stares at the second guy in disbelief. "Like WHAT?!" He says.
And the second guy answers, "Well, I don't know, but we'll find it!"

Do you understand, if you rely on science for answers that are spiritual you will NEVER find what you're looking for? Scientists are very intelligent, that much can't be denied. But so are many theologians, poets, artists, writers, musicians, historians, and archaeologists. I've used this analogy before (this is one of my own, as far as I know) here, but this is a good situation to use it again: Would you trust a biochemist to perform brain surgery on you? Or, would you trust a neurosurgeon to give you a full psychoanalysis? If not, then why would you trust science to give you answers on the SPIRITUAL?

As for your third question (who created God), if God is in fact the creator of the universe, and time itself, then He would have to be outside of time, right? In that case, He could be eternal, when nothing else is. Therefore, no need for a creator. And it's been proven almost beyond a shadow of a doubt that the universe DID have a beginning, therefore it HAD to have a cause (the chances against it being random are astronomical), and therefore a creator. God wouldn't need one if He's outside of time. Make sense? Probably not, but that's the best I can explain it. Eternity and science are outside of my realm of expertise. I'm a poet and a writer, NOT a scientist.

Answer 3

3)If everything has to have a designer, who designed God?

The ID argument is that since there can't be infinite causes, there must be something without cause that started the whole process. It makes no mention of God. So, saying "Christians" should shut up about the argument is kinda silly - as it is not a "Christian" argument.

Random chance doesn't explain anything and makes everything meaningless (including societal law - afterall, you could speculate that you exist in a universe where law doesn't apply to you). There MUST be a cause behind the first protiens forming, as the odds of it happening by chance are astromically impossible. Its been equated to someone randomly picking up a single marked grain of sand in the Sahara Desert, not once but 3 times in a row without picking up any other grains of sand.

Answer 4

I think it is hypocrisy to consider evolution to be "just a theory" and teach Intelligent Design as an alternative while considering the Theory of Gravitation as fact and not teaching Intelligent Falling.

If ID is to be persisted with (despite falling short of what is required to be considered a scientific theory), similar alternatives must be found for all theories on the attached link. If not, you can be accused of just making stuff up to prove the existence of God.

Answer 5

I will agree with you that God doesnt exist if you can answer these questions: or just one. Which "evolved" first? Jugular veins which provides blood from brain and head tissue, The Superior Vena Cava which receives blood from upper body, The Puilmonary veins which delivers oxygenated blood from the lungs to the heart, The Hepatic Portal vien which delivers nutrient-rich blood from small intestine to liver for processing? Which "evolved" first? The Renal Vein which carries processed blood away from kidneys; The Inferior Vena Cava which receives blood from all veins below diaphragm, The LLiac veins which carries blood away from the pelvic organs and lower abdominal wall? Which "evolved" first? The Femoral Vein which carries blood away from the thigh and inner knee;The Carotid Arteris which delivers blood to neck, head and brain; The Ascending Aorta which carries oxygenated blood away from the heart? Which "evolved" first? The Pulmonary Arteries which delivers oxygen-poor blood from the heart to the lungs; The Coronary Arteries which services the incessantly active cardiac muscle cells of the heart; The Brachial Artery which delivers blood to upper extremities; blood pressure measured here; The Renal artery which delivers blood to kidneys, where its volume, composition are adjusted. Which "evolved" first? The Abdominal aorta, which delivers blood to arteries leading to the digestive tract, kidneys, pelvic organs, and lower extremities; The LLiac arteries which delivers blood to pelvic organs and lower abdominal wall, The Femoral artery which delivers blood to the thigh and inner knee. Blood vessels are multi-layered, muscular tubes that carry blood to and from all parts of the body, which consists of Arteries, Capillaries, and Veins . How did "evolution" plan the systemic and pulmonary circuitry into known pathways from portal and renal circuits to interact with the other major organs? The layers wrapping blood vessels are the Tunica externa, which is the outermost layer composed of connective tissue. The Tunica media, the middle layer, is composed of smooth muscle which has variable amounts of elastic fibers, and the Tunica interna, which is the innermost layer, and it is composed of squamous epithelium and fibers composed of elastic. These layers are interwoven and overlapping, how could they have "evolved" one at a time by random mutations and natural selections? AND also how could one work without the other?

Answer 6

Nothing on earth or anything was created. It all just came into being. The cars, the houses electonic goods and all other scientific goods. They all just appeared. Dont these christians learn?

Answer 7

Specification implies the specified has a specifier. The one who specified the thing with those specifications rather than others must have a Will.

God does not have specifications hence He has no specifier.

specofocation is like colour shape place etc

Answer 8

Probably not. Especially not as a result of a question posted on Yahoo! Answers. What we do on Y!A is meaningless, except as a form of networking and entertainment. Lives aren't being changed here. Time is just being wasted.

And Christians are hardheaded and not inclined to reason. Don't get your hopes up.

Hail Satan,

Lazarus

Answer 9

dont worry intelligence only exists in a few superior humans, the others are knuckle draggers eking out an existence in barbaric indifference. religion quells the stupid into submission...and its got + cash flow$$$$$$$$$$$

Answer 10

What is the first cause?

I wish all the religious zealots would shut up, including the atheists.