Mormons what do you think about this scripture?

Question

Isaiah 43:10
"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Psalm 90:2 claims he "from everlasting to everlasting" has been God. He's always been God. Never a man.

Brother G - This does not imply Jesus wasn't the "savior the Son of God"... (?) He's known throughout the whole Bible as the Son of God and the Savior. You make no sense.

La Chacha -- "Your scripture from the book of Psalms supports that God is everlasting, no beginning and no end."

You couldn't have said it better. If he was a man before, he would have had a "beginning."

"before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me," pertains to the worshiping people did at that time and who believed there were many Gods

This has nothing to do with "worship." It's a simple proclaimation "there were NO Gods before and there will be none after." Also to mention, Mormons believe in "many gods".... In your own words, should the "only true God forever" be speaking this to Mormons too?

Brother G -- Calm down. I never said it said Jesus was God. Although that is what I believe, what if I didn't? You just jumped very quickly to a conclusion. And when I said "whole Bible" I didn't mean literally. But, if you insist... Jesus was the figure that brought Abraham and God into a covenant. Jesus was speaking to Daniel in Daniel 10. I'm sure there are other references but I can't think of them.

Answer 1

Blah blah....That statement can imply that Jesus wasn't the savior the Son of God too.

That statment was made to a differnet audience in ancient times.

Wrong!!! Not the whole bible...The Old Testament never says Jesus Is God. The Jews believe in your statement too and don't believe in Jesus.

Answer 2

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 separate and one at the same time. I am not sure exactly but try this, God is the head and carries all the knowledge. Jesus is the Words out of Gods mouth, who took on the form of a man and gave himself for all mankind, the Holy Spirit is our guide to help us know right from wrong.

Answer 3

God is eternal having no beginning or end. Our reward is to be eternal.

D&C 76:4 From eternity to eternity he is the same, and his years never fail.
5 For thus saith the Lord—I, the Lord, am merciful and gracious unto those who fear me, and delight to honor those who serve me in righteousness and in truth unto the end.
6 Great shall be their reward and eternal shall be their glory.

Answer 4

The Lord is one in purpose with the Father. So whatever He says is the will of God. So though they are seperate beings they are one in purpose. You cannot seperate them.

Answer 5

I do believe you have to have an actual question here. This is not the place to grandstand, put yourself on a pedestal, nor preach. It is a forum in which you ask a question, and others answer.

Answer 6

Dear Foxtrot:

He did ask a question.

I doubt many Mormons will step up to the plate.

Pastor Art

PS: 20 minutes and not one serious reply from a Mormon yet. I guess they all must be at the temple with their white robes and green fig leaf aprons.

Answer 7

great question! we're waiting, mormons...

yeah, i'm not gonna hold my breath for this one.

Answer 8

yeah and????

Answer 9

It would help to list the beginning of that passage:

THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET
ISAIAH
CHAPTER 43

1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
8 ¶ Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

This is God giving witness of himself of what he has done on earth to care for his people:

3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

To answer you initial verse, He is the God that is working his miracles on the Earth. (He is talking about his works)
There is not a plurality of gods working on the earth, for him to say, "before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me," pertains to the worshiping people did at that time and who believed there were many Gods who had different functions on the earth, the God of water, the God of fire, the God of love, the Golden Calf, etc... God's saying he is the only God, the only true God forever.

Your scripture from the book of Psalms supports that God is everlasting, no beginning and no end. Moses is exclaiming in song praises to God in this chapter.
Psalm 90.

These verses are not about Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not a God, he is the Son of God. He is a prophet, a leader, a healer, a teacher to mankind and the redeemer of the world.

Edit:
Since you brought it up, I can't use your words to describe what we believe because it seems you pick up on it as a loophole to justify your beliefs. Here are things you wouldn't find in the regular books that we have, these are things that cannot be understood without the first basic principles being learned. Believing that Joseph Smith was a prophet, believing that the Book of Mormon is true scripture, believing than man must be baptized and confirmed a member of the church. Without these, nothing else I say or do will have any meaning to you. But I'll list it anyways and see how it goes with you.

Further LDS beliefs:

Mormons don't believe in many gods, I never said that, you'll have to directly quote me on that, because I can't find that phrase anywhere...are you implying that we believe in ourselves? I'm not a god.

My God is not different from your God, you and I believe differently in what encompasses him, you believe that the Holy Ghost and that Jesus Christ and God are one, I don't. I believe that God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are not gods, their purpose is to testify that God exists. Jesus Christ led an earthly life as an example for us to follow to grow closer to God, and have the Holy Spirit confirm to us that He is real.

We think that God is, a TITLE, given to a man who has progressed to that nature after he has lived and died.
The nature of God (the title) is: ETERNAL and EVERLASTING.
I'm not describing WHO God is, I'm describing WHAT he is, more specific what his title is. His title, has no beginning and no end in this (Mormon) definition, very different from your point of view.
The structure and nature of God (as a title) has no beginning and no end...this is synonymous with being EVERLASTING AND ETERNAL.
We believe in Eternal Progression, God as the person (our current God, I am describing the "WHO he is" here) will be greater in his eternal progression. We don't know what greater title there is above God. As he progresses onward, we will never match his majesty and glory. We will never be like him, we have the potential to be what he is now when our time comes, but we can never match him.
Those that have the potential are sealed at the temple for all time and eternity in a covenant of marriage. This covenant is only valid when the marriage vows that made in the temple are kept up and respected. So, you see, this privilege is not going to be available to everyone. I know many who are not married, are single, or have been divorced and their convenant broken.
By this definition, we believe also that our current God, is a married man, we have a Heavenly Mother as well. Like I said, only those who have been married and sealed in the temple have the potential to reach Godhood. Not everyone in the Mormon church will be. Everyone that reaches Godhood, will be couples that have had a temple marriage and were sealed in the covenant of marriage for all time and eternity. Everlasting to everlasting.

But you know, next time, if you're wanting answers, and not to debate...you should ask a question and not attack.
It's very obvious that your intent is to support your own beliefs, and I understand you'll only see and understand what you know. I don't question your religious beliefs, I don't know, and I will not make assumptions of rumors or principles in your beliefs that take more in-depth study of your doctrine.

But if you feel confident to attack others, and defend your position, feel free to attack Mormons. We will give our testimony of our faith, we will give you facts, we will refer you to all our books, our history, our Prophet if necessary, our missionaries, our Bishops, our friends, our Elders,...whomever, until you feel satisfied. We have many resources.
But I have to warn you, the more you find out about the church, as many members that have questioned and attacked like you, the more you will be convinced about our church being true...not only will it quench your thirst on things that you don't understand, but you will find that all abhorrent and childish things about our doctrine that are rumored that Mormons believe is true, you will find that they are false and completely misunderstood by people who never chose to study the doctrine, never understood the gospel, and never had any faith.

I'll be looking forward to your questions, your concerns, and maybe in the near future, I'll attend your baptism as well.

Also in Isaiah 43, God is TALKING about the worshiping of other idols, and not praising God where they should, you should read further:

Isaiah 43: 21-25
21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.
23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.
24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

God is saying he wasn't filled or glorified with with their sacrifices, there were doing something else and not praising the God they should.

23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.

God's saying he never asked ("I never caused thee") to serve with an offering, or to put on incense...to honor him.
This is not a practice that he has sent to his people to worship him.

24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.

This verse continues to define what sort of sacrifices the people were making; sweet cane with money, only the FAT of the sacrifice...to worship God
God says the people who were doing this, "...hast made me [God] to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.

Here God says he is being made to worship something else, and therefore a sinner too, he says in verse 24, "thou hast made me to serve with thy sins."

That's how this verse should be interpreted, the worshiping of other Gods, the practice of making sacrifices to other gods, different worshiping practices that were not sent forth or asked by God. This is the correct interpretation. You cannot simply quote one verse and take it out of it's context to make it mean what you want it to mean. READ the WHOLE CHAPTER please.