Istanbulbogazi's question inspired me? Chadors?

Question

When I went voting, I saw women covered in black clothes... in this heat.

My belief is that, these women are covered by force by their fathers and husbands, and these same women, that have to come out in this sweltering heat in those tents, see me and my like as... well... bad women.

Strangely, there are certain Americans and Europeans who see these women's dresses as a "democratic right". So, the question is:

Who thinks that çarşaf/chador/black tents are democratic rights of a woman (please think about the circumstances as well as the "principle") and why? No foul language, please, I want honest opinions.

Answer 1

Most of them are covering themselves by the force of either their fathers or husbands. One must be blind or a man to believe that the majority of these women cover themselves with their free will.

Turban or the carsaf is a man's ideal, not woman's. And unfortunately these women have no choice.

I don't even believe the educated women who say that they cover themselves witht heir own will. Örgün eğitim dışında tekke eğitimi alanların eğitimine güvenmiyorum. Bu konuda söz sahibi olanların, türbanı daha çok sahiplenenlerin de hep erkek olması düşündürücü değil mi? Sonra da kadının özgür seçimi demek iki yüzlülükten başka bir şey değil. Kadının kendini anlatmasına bile izn vermeyen zihniyet mümkünse kadının türban özgürlüğü (bu oldukça komik bir tamlama) için de ses çıkarmasın.

Answer 2

It's hard to tell when something is someones democratic right and when something can become a threat to democracy. That line is really unclear and logically different people have different opinions on where that line lies. I believe that opinions are mostly formed by the others around us. Therefor not only the men can be blamed on the fact women cover themselves; most of these women choose to do so because they want to belong to a (that) group (which not only exists out of men, but also women) and by that not isolate themselves. A logic choice, because you just won't say easily goodbye to the social group you've been raised in.
Also your opinion is formed by the social group you're raised in and live in right now.

Answer 3

Yes, Niran, those women are covered by force, physical, psychological, social...Unfortunately this practice has ancient roots, strongly entablished and difficult to change: Ancient Athens, Bysantium, Ottoman Empire, Arabic countries. Women had no rights and they were considered as possessions of the male members of the family.
As for these silly opinions about democratic rights of women to wear any kind of chador, no women has been asked neither whether it's her choice to wear it, nor whether she has any other democratic rights.
Ofcourse in several cases women claim to have the right to cover themselves, but these women have been brain washed (which is equal to lack of rights).
On the other hand, Haswene is right to a certain extent: In some cases these garments function as symbols of community, as it happens in Greek Thrace, where muslim communities insist in their womens' wearing black chadors, as a symbol of cultural and religious difference in a christian and european country. But also in this case women are not the ones to have a choice, the patriarch community and the Mouftis decide.
Unfortunately those women have a long way to run until they get essential civil and social rights, while even they live in another, western country, does not change things much, as immigrants organise themselves in communities, which preserve their conservative traditions and beliefs.

Answer 4

I didn't see any of those covered women. I live in Atakoy and CHP got the area on the last elections. Unfortunately there are many blind people. Actually I am in shock with the results now. Even my housekeeper voted for CHP. So how come AKP got that much votes. Clearly there is a dirty business going on there. I don't consider the results genuine.

Answer 5

Will BosphorusBabe because I lived in Saudi Arabia woman war the black clothes they said it is the law of Islam that woman have to war it so man would not take to them nor do something wrong like raping them.

Answer 6

If this is for religion i wonder if they really know the religion. I am not a religious person but i give importance to culture and knowledge so i made a very good research on that and believe me nowhere but nowhere it is written that women should cover themselves like that.
Secondly it is against Kiyafet Devrimi so to Turkiye.
Thirdly it is against Women Rights.
I believe in secular democracy so the religion can not interfere in gouverning the country specially in a country where there are a lot of types of religions and mezheps.
One of the countries that talks a lot about that subject ended blaming us on that because they banned all the religious signs at schools,too. (France)
And covered people see themselves like they know all and what they do is right and all the others are wrong.
For me women should be free in my mind and free in choosing their clothes, they should do everything that they want, they should take their own decisions so that they can make a brighter future.

Answer 7

Dear Bosphorus babe,

The great majority of Europeans regard çarşaf/chador/black tents as a strong sign of oppression and humiliation for women. I have been several times a witness of endless verbal fights between conservative Turkish or Moroccan immigrants (that tend to oblige their wifes and daughters to this dress code) and average western civilians in Germany and the Netherlands.

Recently a Turk killed his daughter in the middle of Berlin city because -according to him- she was "westernized" as she refused to wear the scarf and had a boyfriend.

PS: I am tired to explain the Dutch and the Germans that these people are coming from some mountain villages in Anatolia and by no means represent Turkey.

Answer 8

Listen to me, dear. I think that If moslem people want to wear chador why I must to say no? The problem is when they are in a foreign country. They must to follow the new law or not?

Answer 9

I wasn't sure what your question was. Are you talking about women who cover themselves? In that case, I think women who wear all black and cover themselves are not a true symbol of democracy. I also think that if you cover yourself like that, it doesn't mean your more religious than other people.