JESUS WAS THE MESSINGER OF GOD, NOT GODS SON, GOD HAS NO NEED FOR SON BECAUSE HE LIVES FOREVER AND HE NEEDS NO DECENDENTS, AND HE HAS ALL THE FORCE TO DO ANYTHING, HE SAID NO OTHER LIKE ME, ONLY ONE GOD ,,,
2007-07-20 14:14:04
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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It would be if Jesus and his Father were not both God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made...14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one."
John 14:1 "Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me.
John 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
While it doesn't make sense to our finite human minds, as an old Quaker said a few hundred years ago when asked if he understood the Triune nature of God
"Nope! I can't understand it and I'm glad that I can't. If I could understand the nature of God then He wouldn't be much of a god now would He?"
2007-07-20 21:16:44
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answer #2
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answered by Martin S 7
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The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. The trinity is one made out of 3 parts. This is clearly demonstrated by an egg, which is shell, white, and yolk: but still an egg. Each plays a different role, with the same purpose. Thats the basic truth.
I could quote a dozen verses, but Matthew 28:19, comes to mind the first.
2007-07-20 21:14:09
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answer #3
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answered by great gig in the sky 7
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Well, only 1/4 of the world population is Christian, and I do not think that God would condem the other 3/4 simply because they were born into their religion. I think when God said that he meant for His followers to not worship false idols like golden cows, much like Moses' people did.
2007-07-20 21:11:40
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answer #4
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answered by Par 4 7
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Clarification; man goes up thru Jesus (up) to God the Father.
God can be singular or plural; depending on its use. Further, chech the multiple Hebrew terms (singlar and plural) translated in English as God.
2007-07-20 21:44:18
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answer #5
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answered by jefferyspringer57@sbcglobal.net 7
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God has never said the words, "My son Jesus". I'm sure that what Christianity is telling us is not the complete story.
2007-07-20 21:22:02
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answer #6
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answered by liberty11235 6
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actually the first commandment as God identifying himself, "I am the lord thy god who hath brought you out from the land of egypt, out of the house of bondage" or whatnot. this lays the ground work for the second, which is "take no others before me" (without the identification, its not very specific, now is it?)
and yes, as you said, Jesus as many people belive in him is both idolotorous and polytheistic, in direct contradiction to the ten commandments.
edit: "understand" the holy trinity? sorry, I understand it as much as there is TO understand. and its nonsensical doublespeak. its polytheism. period.
2007-07-20 21:17:19
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answer #7
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answered by RW 6
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It does if you would take the time to study and understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, Three Persons (Prosopon, Persona) - One in Essence (Ousia, Substantia)
2007-07-20 21:16:46
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answer #8
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answered by Anonymous
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Never did Jesus claim to be almighty God himself. Any impartial reading of the Bible without preconceived ideas about the Trinity will verify that. For example, at John 3:16, Jesus said: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son.” Just two verses later, Jesus again said that he was “the only-begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18) When the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, he answered: “Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?” (John 10:36) Jesus did not say that he was ‘God the Son’ but that he was “God’s Son.”
When Jesus died, even the Roman soldiers standing by knew that Jesus was not God: “The army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: ‘Certainly this was God’s Son.’” (Matthew 27:54) They did not say, ‘this was God’ or ‘this was God the Son,’ because Jesus and his disciples taught that Jesus was the Son of God, not God Almighty in human form.
God himself testified that Jesus was his beloved Son, as the Bible writer Matthew noted when Jesus was baptized. (Matthew 3:17) Other Bible writers noted the same. Mark wrote: “A voice came out of the heavens: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Mark 1:11) Luke said: “A voice came out of heaven: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Luke 3:22) And John the Baptizer, who baptized Jesus, testified: “I have borne witness that this one [Jesus] is the Son of God.” (John 1:34) So God himself, all four Gospel writers, and John the Baptizer clearly state that Jesus was the Son of God. And some time later, at the transfiguration of Jesus, a similar thing happened: “A voice [God’s] came out of the cloud, saying: ‘This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.’”—Luke 9:35.
1Â Corinthians 11:3: “The head of the Christ is God.” Jesus acknowledged that he had a superior God when he said to his disciples: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.”
After Jesus died, he was in the tomb for about three days. Who resurrected him? Since he was dead, he could not resurrect himself. And if he was not really dead, then he could not have paid the ransom for Adam’s sin. But he did die, and was nonexistent for about three days. The apostle Peter tells us who resurrected Jesus: “God resurrected him by loosing the pangs of death.” (Acts 2:24) The superior, God Almighty, raised the lesser one, his beloved Son, Jesus, from the dead. To illustrate: When Jesus resurrected Lazarus from the dead, who was superior? Jesus was superior, since he could bring Lazarus back from the dead. (John 11:41-44) It was the same when God resurrected Jesus. God was superior, since he could bring Jesus back from the dead.
Nowhere in the Bible is the holy spirit mentioned with God and Christ as being equal to them. On the occasion of Jesus’ baptism, Mark 1:10 shows that the holy spirit came down upon Jesus “like a dove,” not in a human form. The holy spirit was not some person coming upon Jesus but was God’s active force. That power from God enabled Jesus to heal the sick and resurrect the dead
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says about the trinity: “The O[ld] T[estament] clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person, neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God’s spirit is simply God’s power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly.” It also states: “The majority of N[ew] T[estament] texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.”
“God is not a God of confusion.”—1Â Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).
It's a sad fact but Trinitarians have often persecuted and even killed those who rejected the Trinity doctrine. And they have even killed their fellow Trinitarians in wartime. What could be more ‘unfitting’ than Catholics killing Catholics, Orthodox killing Orthodox, Protestants killing Protestants—all in the name of the same Trinitarian God?
If a certain title or descriptive phrase is found in more than one location in the Scriptures, it should never hastily be concluded that it must always refer to the same person. Such reasoning would lead to the conclusion that Nebuchadnezzar was Jesus Christ, because both were called “king of kings” (Dan. 2:37; Rev. 17:14); and that Jesus’ disciples were actually Jesus Christ, because both were called “the light of the world.” (Matt. 5:14; John 8:12) We should always consider the context and any other instances in the Bible where the same expression occurs.
Hope this helps in some small way.... :)
2007-07-20 21:43:10
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answer #9
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answered by ldybugg93 3
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You're not the first person to pit their logic against the Wisdom of God, and you probably won't be the last. Read the Bible,Sparky.
2007-07-20 21:16:34
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answered by Paulie D 5
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