about same sex marriage and the opinions towards it by some (notice, I didn't say all) Christian people. I am not trying to make a blanket generalization here, so please don't mistake my intentions. I hear it said over and over that marriage is between a man and woman, and if allowed for same sex couples it will destroy the sanctity of marriage. If this is your opinion, could you please explain to me how my marrying another female would in any way effect your marriage? Please, no quotes from the bible, I happen to be of the belief that many things in the bible are open to many different interpretations, and I myself think God is perfectly ok with my homosexuality. How can you say something will no longer be sacred due to allowing same sex marriages, yet nobody pushes to stop the things that do in fact destroy the sanctity of marriage such as divorce and adultery? I would think there would be more of an effort to outlaw these things, if the true intention was to preserve sanctity.
2007-07-20 12:23:57 · 20 answers · asked by T 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I have just learned that here in California, there is a movement to take away the rights given to same sex couples in a domestic partnership. A domestic partnership is NOT a marriage, so why would you want to take away the rights of another human when it has nothing (and I do mean nothing, this is just a domestic partnership) with a "marriage." That doesn't seem like a very Christian thing to do. The other thing that really bothers me is the fact that we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, so why are my rights being dictated based upon the religious beliefs of those who currently hold power? I have such a hard time understanding all of this, and would love for someone to help me comprehend. I just wish we would learn from our mistakes in this country. We are all entitled to our own beliefs, and I don't understand why a person could be so intent on spreading their own belief system at the expense of anothers when they could easily coexist without the friction.
2007-07-20 12:28:52 · update #1
Actually, Ihalmiut, I'm pretty sure God never uttered the word "homosexual." Well, at least not before several versions of the bible had been released. It would certainly be hard for him to do so being that the word wasn't even uttered for the first time all that long ago. I believe the word that it replaced was effeminate. Which then was in reference to men with boys. Pedophiles in other words. I personally think God had an issue with pedophiles, which is fine with me because I do too. That is what makes me think he is ok with my homosexuality.
2007-07-20 12:53:58 · update #2
Personally, I think that marriage should be abolished as a 'civic' institution, and replaced with a 'Domestic Partnership Agreement'... a civil contract which spells out the rights and duties of the domestic partners, distrubution of assets upon dissolution, etc. Such a partnership agreement would be accessible to any consenting adults, and would extend things like a partner's employment insurance benefits available to the other partner.
Marriage, thereafter, would simply be a ceremonial religious 'garnish' which could be applied on top of the civil contract, but it would be no more than that... garnish; it would have absolutely no civic or legal significance.
2007-07-20 12:32:09 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 1⤋
DuckPhup" posted, and I agree 100 percent:
"marriage should be abolished as a 'civic' institution, and replaced with a 'Domestic Partnership Agreement'
Marriage, thereafter, would simply be a ceremonial religious 'garnish' which could be applied on top of the civil contract, but it would be no more than that... garnish; it would have absolutely no civic or legal significance. "
Perfectly stated; there's nothing I can add to that. I would like ask you WHY if you're so opposed to jesus-cult dogmas, why are you so insistent on being allowed to imitate their obnoxious violation of the separation of church and state? Because that's what the marriage laws are kiddo, a massive violation of the constitutionally mandated Separation of Church and State. The fact that the jesus-cultists have gotten away with this for more than a century doesn't, repeat DOES NOT, make it legal, constitutional, or right.
Furthermore, WHY do you even want this, anyway? And don't tell me, "I have a right to". We just dealt with that above. Nobody has a right to; even Christians don't have a right to except as some goofy little, private eccentricity. What I'm asking is, what's the big, effin deal? Has your consciousness truly been so colonized that you can't see that marriage is a Judeo-Christian construct, and as such, should be of no interest to anyone who is not a victim of their programing.
Nimadan
2007-07-20 19:58:25 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Right. It goes something like this in the Christian mindset:
Jimmy and Janie are planning on getting married. They are Christians, and have planned this happy day for the past year and a half. The honeymoon is paid for, the wedding, the bridesmaid dresses, the reception, the whole thing. Invitations have been sent out, the cake is in the oven.
Suddenly, they hear that a law has just been passed in their town allowing same sex couples to marry. They see with their own eyes on television news that there are dozens of same sex couples lined up at the courthouse to get married!
OH MY GOD!! What does this MEAN for Jimmy and Janie now?! Whatever will they DO?
Of course they cannot get married now, because the sanctity of marriage has now been ruined, and it would be absolutely meaningless to go through with it now.
Poor Jimmy and Janie. All that money on the wedding lost. All that time planning, lost. All the years they've been together as a couple building and planning their life together - lost.
Idiots.
2007-07-20 19:34:41 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Tanya, you are using Reason and Logic, against bigots.
they cannot even understand how anyone can possibly have a different view than themselves. in short your decision to marry a female, will not hurt or harm anyone or anything. it is legal in Canada, and the Netherlands. and god has not rained holy fire on them yet.
i support the right of a church to decide whom they will preform a marriage for. but as a Legally Ordained Minister myself. i demand the right to choose for myself whom i will preform a Marriage ceremony for.
Christianity is not the only religion that uses marriage. mainly because the US. uses Marriage as the word to describe the union between 2 people. many other religions and cultures use marriage or a similar ritual to bond people together and have the bond recognized by their god, or gods.
everyone should have this simple right ESPECIALLY in this country. where we are guaranteed the right to Life, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of Happiness. and where we declare that all Men are Created EQUAL.
these rights will not be realized until the Majority of the people in this country stand up and vote though. right now the vocal minority is winning because they have enough people willing to vote to put the people that reflect their bigoted views into office.
2007-07-20 19:35:43 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
First of all, let me say that I am behind you 100% and don't think you are a troll.
Second, there is NO LOGICAL REASON (not yelling at you, but at the homophobes and other idiots) to deny equal civil rights. It is not a matter of special rights or slippery slope. And why anyone thinks that god, who is understood to be love itself in most religions, hates a valid expression of love between two consenting adults is beyond me.
I too would be interested to see even one good reason that there should not be exactly equal rights for all people.
EDIT: to the Catholic above me: why can straight infertile couples marry then? Why is procreation not mandatory? Are you unfamiliar with the concepts of adoption, foster parenting, and artificial insemination? And to the first answerer, "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" is no argument. Genesis is a myth to explain creation as pre-scientific people understood it.
2007-07-20 19:30:33 · answer #5 · answered by Rat 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God created man and woman. A certificate of divorce was given by Moses to the Israelites because their hearts were harden. Divorce and adultery are also sins and we have sin in our nature as it goes way back to Adam and Eve. The bible is very clear and there's no such things as different interpretations. If you ever read the book of Genesis you will read about Sodom and Gomorrah. In that city men were sleeping with men. God destroyed the whole city because of this sin and other wicked sins.
2007-07-20 19:34:20 · answer #6 · answered by talk2me 1 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Sadly people won't read your question due to the length, but I read it.
The reasons against same-sex marriage are few and usually without base. Change is never well accepted. So really, if its not like their marriage, its a threat to their marriage. They really believe that God doesn't want you to be married to the woman you love, and there's not much you can do to change their mind.
2007-07-20 19:31:35 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
what's the big deal of marriage? if you think you love someone and they love you back just love each-other. if you a homosexual be that. but to me same sex marriage is not right. i think one of the main reasons why we are here is to reproduce. and hypocritically speaking marriage is the gateway for Christian's to reproduce. and if everyone of the same sex was married to the same sex. over half of us would not be here. so by not allowing same sex marriage is another way of telling the younger generation its not nature. because it isn't and it will destroy the sanctity of marriage. just my opinion.
2007-07-20 20:08:20 · answer #8 · answered by bthat 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm glad you found someone to make you happy. I don't like same sex marriages simply because every time I see a very cute girl, she turns out to be gay. Or, maybe they just say that because I'm so ugly the dog closes his eyes before humping my leg? Such is my luck. I hope you live a long and happy life with your chosen partner.
2007-07-20 19:29:21 · answer #9 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Many places have laws that are against adultery. And it is proven that you can't legislate morals. If the definition of marriage would change to same sex, then what would prevent the definition from changing to many partners, or maybe no definition at all, which could lead to maybe a car (yes this sounds ridiculous). But if it happened and employers had to provide benefits, I could see major court cases, expense, and the total degradation of morals.
2007-07-20 19:31:36 · answer #10 · answered by RB 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋