Muslims agree with Jewish scholars who say that the Trinity is a Polytheistic idea adopted from Pagan Rome ?

Question

The "New Testament": Pagan revenge

Between G-d's own miracles and the Jewish teaching of His Word, the pagan priesthoods of Egypt, Greece, and Rome were steadily losing their power over the gentile populations. They decided to fight back by creating a new religion, one that would claim to be the fulfillment of the Hebrew "Old Testament," yet would bring back the pagan lies in a new disguise.

Thus the "New Testament" was written, in Greek rather than Hebrew, and attached to the original Hebrew scriptures to try to change their meaning back toward paganism.

The "New Testament" tried to change G-d from One, as in the Hebrew scriptures, into a "trinity" as in Egyptian cults or the eastern religions of Hinduism and Buddhism. It described Jesus as G-d in a human body, like the pagans always described Pharoah and other wicked kings. It declared G-d's Law to be a "curse" that no one can truly obey, announced that there must be a "mediator" between G-d and man, and pretended that salvation could now be achieved outside the Law.

To blind the gentile nations, the "New Testament" also warned people not to learn from the Jews, declaring that Israel no longer possessed the true, complete Word of G-d.

In the Bible, the book of Daniel warned of an evil power--a false religion--that would believe in the true "G-d of fortresses... plus a god its fathers did not know." This religion would "speak bizarre words about the Most High, wear out the holy ones (the Jews), and plan to change the festivals and the religious Law."7 The Christian Church has indeed replaced Passover with Easter (the pagan holiday of Astarte and Ishtar) and Hanukah with Christmas (the pagan winter holiday).

Since then, Christian paganism has expanded to include Christmas trees, Easter eggs, and so forth.

http://www.noahide.com/paganism.htm


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Answer 1

Muslism agree that Jesus is the Messiah...If the Jews did not recognize who Jesus is how is it you agree with them? If the Jews are correct sir the Muslims are very wrong. Your argument proves how wrong Muhamamd was. If Jesus is the Messiah who was prophesied by the prophets of God then surely you agree wiht the prophets? And yet you do not. To say the least the Jews believed in the coming of a Messiah. The Muslims do not understand who the Messiah was suposed to be or why Jesus is the Messiah.
Edit to way...Sir I do not profess to be a Muslim and yet obvioulsy know the Qu'ran better than you. How embarassing this must be for you sir. 3:45 When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

Chapter 3 (Al-`Imran): Verse 45
There are many suras sirs please read your Qu'ran then do as instructed and read the Bible which is the true word of God.
Some Random Guy If you do not believe Jesus is the Messiah you do not believe YOUR Allah and are hardly a Muslim.

Answer 2

Although I would like to get into the noahide idea morould like to start this discussion with basics and maybe pick up from there ( by the way was there a question?)The term trinity means tri unity God is a pluralityin his unity.Some of this may seem alluded to in the Shema What is the word for one used in reference to G-d?and what does it mean?
Jesus took the glory of G-das in John 8:58 where he says "Before Abraham was I am" but Isaiah "I am the Lord YHWH, that is my name; I will not give it to others"The Holy Spirit is associatedwith G-d the father in creation ( Genesis1:2). Each have the aspects of G-d but is not seperate from or another G-d. Is G-d not powerful enough that He cannot do this? The Christian concept is based graetly on the Hebrew concept of G-d but believes that He is three who in one what. I would love to discuss this more if you are interested. I also find the Noahide concept intriguing.
Does Judaism not have the Shekina? A christan would say the Shekina is the Holy Spirit. That Jesus is part of the Godhead is that 1) He said he and the father were one. (plus what I mentioned ealier) 2) If He was not G-d His death would not be enough to make recompense for the sisns off all the world. A mere man could not do this. It is as a rope of many parts making one. All are God but only one G-d. Of those who believe in G-d on this question. Do you believe that G-d is not powerful enough to do this?PAX

Answer 3

There are many Trinities in religions. Some will point out that Christianity echoed Mithraism in taking on the power of a Trinity (Christianity also "borrowed" December 25 as their Jesus' birthday, adopted from Mithraism.) The Cult of Isis also has a Trinity: Osiris, Isis and Horus. In Paganism, many see the Goddess in the triple form of Maiden, Mother and Crone...and the God as Prince, Sage and Elder. The list could go on and on.

No offense, but I must interject: "Christmas" is not a 'Pagan winter holiday'. Pagans celebrate Yule, which is the Winter Solstice, on or about December 21. Ostara (named after Oester) is the holiday Christians have taken on as their Easter -- but I still don't understand the term "Christian Paganism", which is combining two totally different religions.

In Love and Light

Answer 4

Ok it seems you don't really have a question. You are well researched, Christianity is a mix of of Judeao messianic narrative with Greaco-Roman metaphysics. The Trinity was much easier to understand and indeed was developed by Gentile Christians whilst Jewish Christians were just thoroughly confused by the whole polytheistic mess.

DJ, you don't know too much about Islam do you? Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, not the messiah, there will only be one messiah and he is going to bring about the end of days, Jesus didn't so he's not the messiah, this is the logic held on too by first the jews and four hundred years later, the muslims. Muslims simply believe that they are keeping true to all Jewish Laws (whilst in their opinion, the Jews have abandoned some of their laws) and to the new laws of Mohammed who they believe to be the last prophet. That is the only difference.

Answer 5

They can believe all they want. Christians consider themselves as being monotheistic and in their declaration of faith they state so. I am polytheistic and I clearly state that according to my beliefs there are several Gods. Christians will NEVER do that! The Christian faith is based on the Jewish. The Bible incorporates the Torah and the New Testament. The Muslem faith is based on the Christian faith and their holy book incorporates the Bible and the Torah. Surat 3 verse 3 of the Quran says that the Torah and the Bible are holy books coming from God. I personally believe that they are remainders of an era in the Middle East that has disappeared for many centuries. My faith is tolerant and I do not want anything to do with their exlusive "Gods", their intolerance towards other Gods, their discrimination towards women etc.

Answer 6

As a Muslim (and a religious studies major) i wholeheartedly agree that the trinity is a polytheistic idea mainly promoted by pagan priests of ancient rome. It's something i've read a lot about.

**what surprises me the most is how many Christians there are that are in full knowledge of this information, and yet still follow their theology

Peace and Blessings,
Sakina

Answer 7

First DJmax, I would say that Muslims believe that Jesus was a Prophet, (so I here.) Anyway, I DO agree that the Trinity IS a polytheistic part of the Christian faith. So bo ha!

Answer 8

I suppose this is the only thing Jews and Muslims agree upon...
Check this out too:
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
And on Judaism and Islam:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/06/muhammad_and_the_jews.html

Answer 9

Quoran disapprove trinity. The Quoran says

"[5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve."

Answer 10

Yes they both see the trinity as paganism