nanookadenord- question for you about owner retention?

Question

"You can fool yourself all you want, but mandatory spay and neuter will not decrease shelter euthanasias, it increases them"

How does having fewer animals reproducing add to shelter euthanasia?

"The biggest contributor to the overpopulation issue (which is highly exaggerated by ARs such as yourself) is owner retention. You don't see millions of puppies in shelters, what you see are adults that have been released to the shelter for whatever reason. These dogs had a home, but for a reason only the previous owner only knows, were given to the shelter."

What's an AR? Responsible breeders who show and do genetic testing insist on taking their dogs back at anytime if the owner doesn't want them. Many ask for annual pics. Their dogs aren't in shelters- this guys may end up there down the road.

Couldn't copy the rest in to continue questioning you. People like me who adopt dogs from shelters are part of the solution not the problem. My baby will stay with me till the day he passes away.

Here's the rest

"If the dog is a performance breed, just doing what it was bred for and doing it well is more then enough reason to continue the bloodline and people do this all the time with hunting and sled dogs."

Who care about doing genetic testing to be sure they won't pass down awful problems?
Responsible breeders sure do.

"Most people with great dogs that would be an asset to a breeding program can't afford to do confirmation showing. As long as all the health clearances have been met and the dog is a proven worker, it's enough of a reason to keep that bloodline going."

If you can't afford to do a single conformation showing how can you afford to do the genetic tests? Pay for sick mom and pups? Emergency c-section?

I don't care how great you think your dog is. My beagle mix is amazing- he follows his nose very well. I had him neutered. He is a PET not a breeding machine. I don't have money for genetic tests plus he is a mutt- I want to be part of the solution not the prob

Actually I just realized I plan to use the same ideas before I reproduce myself. My mother's family are carriers of cystic fibrosis. I will have genetic testing done before I reproduce to ensure that my mate and self are not both carriers- if we are we will adopt. I have lost 3 uncles and an aunt to CF and will not be losing a child to it.

ragapple- I didn't mean to imply anything about performance breeders- I felt the original author was not a performance breeder- but a backyard breeder. He was stating that people don't have money to participate in confirmation and watching a herding dog herd was all needed to breed him responsibly.
I completely disagree with dogs being bred to be 'pretty'- my dog is a mutt and is adorable- because he is such a sweet dog. If you're breeding for a purpose looks are secondary.

I am just sick of backyard breeders arguing they are being responsible. I am sorry if I offended performance breeders in the process.

Answer 1

That guy nanookadenord must be retarded. I hate people like that who come on the pet boards just to be mean, and make stupid comments. There are so many of them, sometimes I just want some advice about my dog, and all I get are rude answers telling me that I'm a bad owner for doing something like letting my dog offleash. Its my choice. I'm glad you posted this:)

Answer 2

Even though I haven't found the original question, I'll make a point or two

> Responsible breeders who show and do genetic testing >insist on taking their dogs back at anytime if the owner >doesn't want them. . Their dogs aren't in shelters

EXACTLY!!!!!! and guess which breeder is visible and easily found for arrest - the one taking his/her dogs out every weekend in large public gatherings or the one who's dog spends 24/7 tied to the bumper of a rusting car inside a privacy fenced yard? The responsible breeder has little chance to hide and may be priced outta existence by permit fees- if found, the car tied dog suddenly becomes "just a stray I found and tied up till I can find the owner (I've SEEN this) and guess who's pups are more likely to be dysplastic, guess which are better socialized? guss which breeder will spend 2 hr on the phone giving housebreaking advice?


"If the dog is a performance breed, just doing what it was bred for and doing it well is more then enough reason to continue the bloodline and people do this all the time with hunting and sled dogs."

Speaking as someone that has dogs from a breed that is "split" (THREE dogs obtained both a bench CH and a performance CH in the last 15 yr)- sometimes the requirements of the show ring (or judges interpretation of them) make it impossible for a dog to succeed at both. One of the most glaring examples is the American show German Shepard GORGEOUS flowing trot but the jumping, twisting, and other physical activity needed for police work is a different tale - separate breeding programs produce dogs who can do this. So why is it better select for a dog that can look nice trotting in a circle over one that can save police officers lives? Guide dog programs mostly have their own breeding programs- same question.
Do you think performance breeders don't do genetic testing? (WRONG!!!)

As for increased shelter intake see links below:

Answer 3

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Answer 4

I can answer two of your questions...

>>>How does having fewer animals reproducing add to shelter euthanasia?<<<

That's not quite right, however for some reason mandatory S/N does seem to have an effect. For example, there is one county (can't remember the name) that the ARs like to cite because euthanasia went down after the S/N was introduced, but what they DON'T tell you is that in the surrounding counties, with no MS/N, the rate went down even more.

AR = Animal Rights activist.