If I were caught commiting this forgery, should I be allowed to keep the job? Can you think of any good reasons why doing such a thing would be illegal? Should I be granted amnesty from my crime if I committed it only in search of a better life? Where do we draw the line in what we can allow people to do in search of a better life.
2007-07-18 11:31:54 · 14 answers · asked by BarkleyLee 2 in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
Wonder how many of those people who just read you the riot act are pro illegal immigration? I think your analogy was lost on many..... Apparently there are some laws you should not break, or maybe it just depends on who is breaking them..... I think you need a star :)
2007-07-18 12:35:26 · answer #1 · answered by Rabid Frog 4 · 5⤊ 1⤋
We draw the line at fraud and forgery and theft.
Very few employers would allow a credential-forger to keep his job. Most employers that I know and counsel would report the violation to the district attorney's office.
We had a "lawyer" in the office who was caught flat-footed when we instituted a due diligence program. It turned out that not only was he not sworn in as an attorney but he never attended law school.
A paralegal makes not more than $60,000 per year. A lawyer makes a sliding scale starting at $135,000 and going up to $160,000 in his third year (he was busted in his third year after he claimed to be a lawyer). He has been indicted for grand larceny in the amount of $440,000 (he got bonuses, too). If he had produced a forged degree, he would also have been charged with Second Degree Forgery and Criminal Possession of a forged instrument. Since the transactions were separate, the sentences would be served consecutively. That would come out to 7 to 21 years. Plus we had to refund all the fees we collected due to his activity, so the civil lawsuit against him comes out at $2,060,000, and the judge on the criminal case has said he will not accept a plea bargain for anything less than 5 to 15 until and unless a plan is developed to repay at least the guy's ill-gotten gains.
He's going to go upstate for a very long time. He was just doing it in th search for a better life. But he was stealing his life. He has caused an incredible amount of anguish and pain, and his convict lifestyle is his just desserts. So don't do it unless you feel like losing everything. Credential falsification is a crime, and the crackdown is here. In the post-PATRIOT Act world, secrets are becoming totally passe.
2007-07-18 18:46:28 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
It would be wrong to forge anything. It's against the law.
But I can understand the frustration of someone who may feel that they have the ability to do well in a career without having a degree. Many of today's jobs could easily be taught in
on-the-job training or in a series of workshops or seminars.
Universities have pushed for the idea of mandatory degrees
because that is how they make their money. Employers today just go along with it because, frankly, they often are not so intelligent themselves.
2007-07-18 18:40:05 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
When you are caught you should not only keep your job but you should be given the degree you forged without any penalty or maybe you could pay a small fine.
It seems some people are not getting your comparison to how illegal immigrants get their jobs. I don't see the difference between that and forged SSNs except that you are already able to vote and they are a new potential voting group.
Perhaps this scenario should be presented to your Congressman.
2007-07-18 18:39:55 · answer #4 · answered by Truth is elusive 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
why even go to school? why not just get anyone to counterfeit college degree to obtain the mighty dollar! Hell, Why even get a regular degree when you can counterfeit a High Profession Degree. Like a PhD, or Law Degree. and Bring in 6 figure income easy.
2007-07-18 19:24:39 · answer #5 · answered by oldwiseone 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Forgery is against the law, false identification is against the law. Where is your moral compass? You will not be able to keep your job if you are caught.
It is illegal because there are people who actually PAID and WORKED very hard to earn a degree. People who lie about it should NOT be rewarded for this kind of behavior. Being able to keep the high paying job is rewarding this terrible action.
Put yourself in my shoes, I DID pay for school and WORKED very hard for my degrees. I would not be happy if someone was awarded a job over me simply because they vindictively lied. Just remember, what goes around comes around.
2007-07-18 18:43:21 · answer #6 · answered by littlemiss_56 1 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Of course you should be allowed to keep your job. You should also be exempted from paying income taxes and should be given food stamps to make your life even easier. It should be illegal for people to glare at you in the supermarket with one trolley crammed with food stamp items and the other containing useful items you must purchase with your wages (like beer). You should also be picked up by your boss and driven to work. Perhaps a nice air-conditioned shelter in a central location would help you there.
2007-07-18 18:38:43 · answer #7 · answered by skip 6 · 7⤊ 1⤋
We're all looking for a better life. Commiting a crime is NO way to get there. Get a real education. It will be the better life even if it takes longer.
2007-07-18 18:35:12 · answer #8 · answered by Me 2 · 4⤊ 1⤋
It is about not telling lies. The assumption is that if you can tell a lie in one situation, then it would take too much energy in the future to decide if you are stating a fact or saying another lie. However, there are jobs in which facts are relatively not important.
2007-07-18 18:39:51 · answer #9 · answered by bobanalyst 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
You would be a criminal just like all the illegal aliens! You break the law and you suffer the consequences. You break the law, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL. I don't care that the pro-illegals don't like this term but it's the truth!
2007-07-18 19:13:53 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋