Lets say that there were two troublemaking sixteen year olds, stabbing people, robbing people etc, and one of them was stabbed to death... but the other one progressed and at the age of 26, turned his life around, became a christian and devoted his life... and so goes to heaven right? BUT, since the other one died at 16, as a trouble making adolescent youth, he went to hell... and had he of not been killed, he would of done EXACTLY the same as the other boy and turned into a devoted christian at 26, and so would of gone to heaven... so the person who stabbed him was the reason why this person did not get the full fair chance to accept jesus, so this murderer would be responsible for the other person going to hell in a way... Do you agree? I mean it's very narrowminded to believe that god will apply the same criteria to judging every single person... there are so many factors... diying young (less of a chance), being brought up into different cultures... If god is fair..... understand?
2007-07-18 09:41:24 · 30 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I know many christians who will sidestep this question with an answer like "everybody has a fair full chance", but that is NOT TRUE.
2007-07-18 09:42:17 · update #1
Don't you understand? You can reason with the holy rollers. I'm a Christian & there is no hell. The 16 year old was having his hell on earth, they'd both go to Heaven
2007-07-18 10:04:07 · answer #1 · answered by PeeWee 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Bible teaches its believers to shun non-believers. That is why I am described as one of Satan's followers, despite being loving and respectful towards all of mankind.
Well... I accept that. And would like to thank any Christian who agrees for their honesty. After all that is their belief, not mine.
From the look of the situation, the stabber probably learned from his actions, and that may have been the reason that he became fully faithful. Had the stabbing not happened, both youngsters may not have learned the valuable lesson, and would not have became faithful.
In my religion, if you do right, your spirit will be rewarded with (and in) your next life. If you do wrong, your spirit's next life will be more difficult.
No judgement, no minimum criteria, just a case of what you do will affect you later.
And I totally get your point, but I'm really not sure how the Christian God's mind works.
2007-07-18 10:15:53 · answer #2 · answered by ? 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
II don't even want to begin to answer whether someone is going to go to Hell or not? I completely leave that choice up to God... I have my own thoughts, but I keep them to myself... The question that you asked is a question that I'm sure all of us has thought of at some point in our lives...
I know with all that is in me that God is a fair and justful God... He has created the whole world ... He has created you and me... He is much bigger than any of us can ever fathom... I know that somewhere in your story there would have been a point where the young man that was killed at an early age would have had the chance to follow Christ. If not... I'm sure that God knows the way to make it fair...
God is a powerful, mighty, justful and strong.... but He is also compassionate and loving... I know that in someway even though i may not understand it or see it.... God was totally in this situation and this man was given a fair chance.
2007-07-18 10:29:25 · answer #3 · answered by Kimbo 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Many Christians would say that God makes her own choices and that saying she'd let the first go to hell is presumptuous. Who are we to say what God would do?
Two questions for you. If the god Christians worship were completely understandable, rational and fair as you understand that, why shouldn't we worship you? After all, it wouldn't be "fair" to blame someone for choosing from between two equally fair creatures and selecting the one we could see.
Isn't it narrow-minded to believe that those two boys were exactly alike? If God exists at all, he must see things we do not see that allow judgments we do not understand to be made and be completely fair, which BTW isn't a quality of God that Christians ever claimed for him.
2007-07-18 09:52:30 · answer #4 · answered by Sarah C 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Who told you life is fair? "Fair" is a childish ideal that is never, ever true in the real world. Growing up is all about learning that life is not fair. It's the first bit of wisdom most people acquire. And as far as God's judgement goes, "the beauty of grace is that it makes life not fair."
Everyone has the time God gave them to repent and place their faith in Jesus Christ. If you have passed the age of accountability (which differs for everyone, it's the age at which you are able to understand the choice between good and evil) and die in your sins, you are sent to hell. God metes out time according to His will, and as the created we have no right to question the Creator.
"Does the clay have the right to say to the potter 'why did you make me thus?' If I make one vessel for noble use, and another to be destroyed and cast into the fire, what is that to you?" - God
If being "narrow minded" means sticking to God's revealed truth in the bible, then I am indeed narrow minded.
2007-07-18 09:49:48 · answer #5 · answered by doppler 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I'm going to answer this from my point of view. I'm am not Christian but I go to a Catholic school, and have to take a theology class. If you are baptized before you die, you have a chance at going to heaven. Now, no one says that the other boy is headed of to heaven either. The bible says that the road to Heaven is narrow and only few follow it. No one said that the murdered boy is going to hell either. It's not all that simple of a question and really can't be answered.
2007-07-18 09:49:13 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well, we DO have choices, both the 16 yr olds could have done something else.
And if anyone tells you they know who is going to heaven and who is not going to heaven. dont listen to them.
We dont know!!!!!!!
That is up to God, and to try and put our human emotions into that equation is just wrong.
Judge not or you will be Judged.
However, i dont think you should push things hoping to make up for it all in the last minute, because as you so wisely pointed out, we dont know when the last minute is.
Only God knows what is in our hearts and salvation is through Him.
2007-07-18 09:44:38 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
You misunderstand the Scriptures and what it teaches. Salvation is not based on our works, or our somehow believing on our own. God chooses out those who are His, that choice was made before the foundation of the world. So if the child who died young lived on, he would still be dead in trespasses and sins, and bound for eternal judgment. You made a lot of presuppositions to make your point. Bottom line is, God is totally sovereign, no one dies without His permission, and no one dies before their "time". God chooses out those for salvation, and allows the others to continue on their path to perdition. If God were "fair", we would all burn for eternity. God is merciful and shows grace to those who are His own.
2007-07-18 09:55:23 · answer #8 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
who are you to tell God what is fair and isn't fair? He made the rules! Your opinion doesn't matter at all, the friend who died chose to live that way, so went to Hell, the other, who repented, is still judged for his actions, but does not go to Hell.
2007-07-18 09:46:34 · answer #9 · answered by brittanykoren86 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
God is not obligated to save any sinner. It's only of grace that he offers salvation for free. But only for those who believe. Yes forgiveness and grace doesn't seem "fair". But that's grace. For an example of Jesus talking about the issue of fairness see http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/pbl15.html
2007-07-18 10:35:38 · answer #10 · answered by Steve Amato 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋