Does Romans 9:13 indicate this?
2007-07-18 06:52:00 · 4 answers · asked by Michael Knight 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
No....
It means that God chooses some vessels for honor and some for dishonor.
Jacob I have loved....Esau I have hated.
Who are we to question the sovereign will of God?
2007-07-18 06:57:09 · answer #1 · answered by primoa1970 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Why would the Christian Bible have anything to say about something that happened in the previous millennium? Christianity comes from Judaism. In order for Christianity to be *true* Judaism also has to be *true.* Instead of worrying about somethng in God's domain (repentance) why not give some thought to what the story teaches us about life itself? Give some thought to how many Biblical first-sons inherited. What does that teach us about leadership -- is it inherited, or do we look for the person with the best leadership traits?
Do you worry about everybody's "repentance" or only Biblical characters. You've certainly got your work cut out for you. Hopefully you're giving an equal amount of time to solving problems in *this* life.
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2007-07-18 07:21:55 · answer #2 · answered by Hatikvah 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It shows that he personally did, for the reason that he could not repent of his action. God expects everyone to repent of sin, and he is faithfull and just in doing so. Had Esau repented, he would have found forgiveness, like anyone else.
Most people do not understand just what the sin he committed actually was. Esau (as the oldest son of Isaac) was the delegated inheritor of the promises that God had given Abraham. It was originally to be through his lineage that salvation would be given to the world. That his progeny would be as the stars in the sky.
Yet, we see the value of this personally to him, since when he was confronted with a rumbling belly and some physical exhaustion, this birthright (the awesome promises of God) became less important, personally, then a bowl of soup, a "morsel of meat". Salvation, and Gods pleasure, to him had the trade value of a little food...... (IE essentially worthless)
In stead of counting it as precious and irreplaceable, it was mundane and worthless to him. What is one days fast? He could have said resoundingly no, then gotten food elsewhere later!
Yet, he probably would have refused to trade, for instance say his bow, or his hunting knife, at any other time for the same bowl of food. He was a great hunter. He was by no means starving. The words of the promise held no personal value, or he wouldn't have accepted Jacob's offer.
What Hebrews 12:17 shows is that, after realizing the extent of his error, he tried to repent. However, true repentance comes from an earnest and truthfull desire and sorrow within. He could not truly find this sorrow, as he probably believed he was tricked, blaming Jacob for the sin instead of himself. He could not truly find the repentant attitude God has declared necessary for forgiveness.
By both action and attitude he demonstrated clearly to God that he did not love either him or his promises.
God stated according to those who hate him:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
AND
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deu 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
Deu 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
AND
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
How many generations has it been since esau? Does God change? He stated "third and fourth generation", and it has been much more than that since esau. Yes, Edom still is under curse, but I find it fitting to Gods mercy and grace that sons of Esau are now finding him, and turning to him, despite Esau's aggrevious sin.
He truly hates Esau's seed no greater than he hates the rest of the Gentiles. Grace has fallen upon all the gentiles, as well as Israel, and prophecy is shown true.
Paul
2007-07-18 08:45:59 · answer #3 · answered by pauldude000 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Simply said, Esau did not find repentance for his sin of selling his birthright for a "morsel of meat".
2007-07-18 07:01:28 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋