Jehovah Witness do you think I have anything to be ashamed of?

Question

(aside from the fact that I would choose to openly dispute your claim on public/internet forum)

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..."Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6

(these are all of titles of Christ Jesus, which proclaim him to be "Mighty God" among other things.)

It's also found in the Bible published by the Watch tower society also - yet, your organization still refuses to accept the deity of Christ.


Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

(Christ is God in the flesh.)
Bottom line: Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe, but you have flaws in your theory.

Answer 1

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I'm not JW, though, so that's probably NOT what you're looking for.

Anywhom, good luck, and watch out, for the end is near. 1975, to be exact, or was it 1914? Or 1918? Or 1945?

Answer 2

It is also of interest to note that both Weymouth and An American Translation render the passage, "the fullness of God's nature."

Liddell and Scott's A Greek-English Lexicon, in its new ninth edition, completed in 1940 and reprinted in 1948, Volume I, defines the two terms in the light of ancient usages apart from the Scriptures. Theiótes it defines as "divine nature, divinity" (page 788). Theótes it defines in exactly the same way, as "divinity, divine nature," and then cites as an example Colossians 2:9.

Jesus has the full nature of God or Godly qualities.

If we say God is divine, we don't mean God is God.

We mean God has Godly qualities.

When we say Jesus is divine, We are saying Jesus has Godly qualities.

Not that he is God.

Why does he have the full nature of God?

Heb 1:3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Jesus is the exact representation of God, Not that he is God.

2 Cor 4:4 states if you believe Jesus is more than
or less than

the image of God,

Then you are blinded by Satan.

Moses is called God to Pharaoh, Ex 7:1
an angel of God is called God. Judges 13:21,22
Human judges are called gods Ps. 82:18

Why because they are spokesmen for God.

Jesus as the Word, is the Chief Spokesman for Jehovah.



Open mindedness is the judge of your questions.

As long as you are open minded, ask what ever question you want.

Ask yourself, am I imitating the Pharisees, or the Beroeans?


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Answer 3

JW's do not believe that Jesus is God. That doesn't mean that they don't believe that he is the Christ. Christ means "anointed one", not "GOD".

There also seems to be difficulty in differentiating between "Mighty God" and "ALmighty God" in Isa. 9:6. Only Jehovah, the Father has been termed "ALmighty God" in the Bible whereas Jesus never ever was termed as such in the Bible.

Besides, even trinitarians do not confuse the two separate persons of the Father and the Son. They do not say the Son is the Father. They say the Father and the Son are two separate individual persons who are equally "God"!

So, since we obviously cannot take "Eternal Father" in the literal sense to mean that Jesus is THE Father, we cannot take the rest of that same name (esp. `Mighty God') in its literal highest sense and say that Jesus is ALighty God, etc., either.


"The fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." - Col. 2:9 (NWT)

Col. 2:9 - "For in him [Jesus] the whole fulness [Gr. pleroma] of deity [theotes] dwells[1] bodily" - RSV.
"The word theotes appears only this once in the entire New Testament [NT] (and never in the ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament [OT]). It has been rendered in various trinitarian translations as follows: "Godhead" - KJV, ASV, NEB, REB, MLB; "deity" - RSV, NASB, NRSV, NIV, NAB, CBW, Mo, By; "divinity" - JB, NJB. It should be remembered also that "Godhead" as found in the older English Bibles (such as KJV) had a different meaning than it has come to have in modern English. "In older English ['Godhead'] was a synonym for divinity" - p. 221, Vol. 2, A Dictionary of the Bible, Hastings, 1988 printing; and p. 362, An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon, Liddell and Scott, Oxford University Press, 1994 printing.

Theotes simply does not literally mean "godhead," and the use of "godhead" by the KJV translators was not intended as some would understand it today. Actually, the heavenly Father, alone, is the closest thing to a literal "Godhead" to be found anywhere in the inspired Scriptures - see 1 Cor. 11:3.


The trinitarian argument that Col. 2:9 proves that Jesus is God overlooks the common understanding of "fulness of ..." and "filled with ..." by those who used those common phrases in New Testament times. For example, the person who became "filled with Holy Spirit" (Eph. 5:18) was greatly influenced by that spirit, but he certainly did not become the Holy Spirit.

"...And having "the fulness" of someone or something could similarly mean being greatly influenced by that person or thing. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says:

"Just as a person can be full of pain, joy, love, and virtue, he can also be said to be filled with God ..., i.e. possessed and inspired by God." - Vol. 1, p. 734.[4]

Surely we wouldn't expect anyone who is "filled with" God or who receives the "fulness of" God to actually be God! Nor would we expect anyone who has the "fulness of" Christ to actually be Christ! In fact it clearly shows that he is NOT the person with whom he is "filled". (RDB)

Answer 4

If you're looking for 'flaws', you don't have to go any further than the new testament. Assuming of course you go with an open mind and with the ability to read objectively....

Answer 5

You have nothing to be ashmed of. Continue speaking the truth.

Answer 6

these characters in LATIN what do they mean:
DEITY?
in ARABIC DEITY means?
english?