Wasn't God having himself killed with the crucifixion?

Question

If the whole trinity bit is as it's supposed to be, wouldn't that mean that God had himself killed?

And isn't it cheating to just kill part of yourself?

Dosn't that qualify as self harm?

Since when did someone self harming cleanse other people's sins?

Noam...........isn't that a bit of a cop out?

Answer 1

According to what I believe....Jesus was just as much as "God" as any of us 'regular' humans.
My thinking...If Jesus is the Holy Son of the Trinity, on the Crucifix, His Physical self (the body) was killed...that is of course if He ever trully died on the cross or just fainted, and the resurrection, was Him just recovering from that...'hemogenic shock'' after some r and r (but that's a whole other story).. Again the physical self was killed, but of course the soul doesn't die, the physical self is not more divine then any other humans, if His soul was of the Trinity, but of the course the soul cannot die. Or Something like that, I guess i should read the Bible, that might give me more of a qualification to answer this question. I thank you for you time.
But in short. If God is All That Is...then Jesus never died, because 'flesh' in death is still God, it just changes form..and the soul never died, because the soul, then again....if He was resurrected and His whole body went to heaven...then He never really died for anyones sins, people just made it up.... To me, if and when He said "i forgive you" on the cross..that He was forgiving those disciples, that didn't defend or stand with him when the Romans came to arrest Him...he probably even forgave Judas (even though some say He asked him to inform the Romans himself)..and the disciples either made up Jesus said 'i forgive you'...or they did actually hear it (Provided the Jesus story is real)...and then modified it...saying that Jesus died for 'our' sins, and made it more market friendly, or people misinterpreted that, and then it was taught, that Jesus died for all of 'mans' sins, when it was probably Jesus forgiving those disciples that came in disguise to see him suffering on the crucifx...then again...Was Jesus God?....it sure would be get people to follow my religion or philosophy, if i tell everyone Jesus was God, and those other Holy Men....or just Holy Men.Great...i think i need a beer.

Answer 2

I could show you scripture on exactly what Jesus was. But I will put it into my own words first in case you never read the pasted scripture.

It would help you to understand that the Old Testament, but since many find that difficult I will show you only one thing from it and explain it to you.

There is a concept of the 'kinsman redeemer', which can be found in the Book of Ruth and is typified by Boaz who was the kinsman redeemer ( Ruth 3:2) of Naomi and Ruth. He had special ordainment according to the Law. ( c.f. Ruth 3:9 - 13)

He bought the property and acquired Ruth and Naomi so that their family name would not disappear from among the records. ( Ruth 4:9)

The manifestation of Jesus as the redeemer is typified by the story found in Ruth. He came as a Jew and went to the Jew first, as their kinsman redeemer. And over and over again the New Testament shows as it was prophesied, that he was rejected by the Jews as a nation, and so as also prophesied went to the Gentiles.

So there have been many questions lately about God killing Himself by becoming Jesus and being crucified. But it is important to note, in order to understand, that God sent His Son Jesus to be that kinsman redeemer as a MAN. What many do is forget or are ignorant about the man that Jesus was as well as being God. He is the two-natured: man and God. That's why Christians say that He loves us, because He was willing to give up His place, albeit temporarily, in order to play the fulfillment of that kinsman redeemer.

This scripture, if you decide to read it, shows you that Jesus did just that:

Philippians 2
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Answer 3

if you have ever heard of blood covenants you would know its is an old system of alegiance. Man was separated from God but by Jesus blood covenant we are made in Union with God again. To learn more about blood covenants read this, http://www.seven--stars.de/en/articles/mr_3e.htm or look up a search engine "blood covenants" Aparently God took blood covenants seriously.

here are some scriptures:
"Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:"
Hebrew old testament before the coming of Jesus
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or read hebrews 8 as well new testament (after Jesus death)

Answer 4

God didn't kill anyone. His son Jesus was killed on the cross by MAN, God did not do kill him. The "Trinity bit" is in Heaven God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, act as one to guild and love Man - Woman to be kind and loving.

Answer 5

God did not cause the practice of crucifixion. Roman law did. Jesus did not die for you or I or any of us. He LIVED for us. In reality Jesus did not die as described in the Gospels. He was able to appear dead through his spiritual powers until such time as his people got him down from the cross and away from the Roman soldiers and at that time he revived and escaped to the east with a small band of followers. He then lived from 40 more years even into old age and taught all throughout the east where they still have monuments to his wandering teaching ministry. During that time He was known by many names, one of the most well-known is Yuz Aseph.

Answer 6

Trinity - 3 persons in perfect agreement (as 1).

Jesus prayed that His followers would be 1 even as He and the Father are 1.

Answer 7

Someone? No. But Jesus was sinless so an appropriate sacrifice for our sin.

Incidentally, He wasn't killed but allowed Himself to die.

The relationship within the Trinity is not easily understood. God is bigger than what we can really comprehend.

Answer 8

Except that he took it back three (two and a half, actually) days later.

And anyway, what would you say about a HUMAN father who beat himself to death with a hammer because he felt his son was being bad? Would you gather around the father's corpse and say to the son, "Look what a loving father you have -- he killed himself because you're so base and vile"?

Answer 9

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58; 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus took on human flesh - He became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

Jesus' two natures, human and divine, are inseparable. Jesus will forever be the God-man, fully God and fully human, two distinct natures in one Person. Jesus' humanity and divinity are not mixed, but are united without loss of separate identity. Jesus sometimes operated with the limitations of humanity (John 4:6; 19:28) and other times in the power of His deity (John 11:43; Matthew 14:18-21). In both, Jesus' actions were from His one Person. Jesus had two natures, but only one person or personality.

The doctrine of the hypostatic union is an attempt to explain how Jesus could be both God and man at the same time. It is ultimately, though, a doctrine that we are incapable of fully understanding. It is impossible for us to fully understand how God works. We, as finite human beings, should not expect to be able to comprehend an infinite God. Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). But that does not mean Jesus did not exist before He was conceived. Jesus always has existed (John 8:58; 10:30). When Jesus was conceived, He became a human being in addition to being God (John 1:1,14).

Jesus is both God and man. Jesus has always been God, but He did not become a human being until He was conceived in Mary. Jesus became a human being so that He could identify with us in our struggles (Hebrews 2:17) and, more importantly, so that He could die on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins (Philippians 2:5-11). In summary, the hypostatic union teaches that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine, that there is no mixture or dilution of either nature, and that He is one united Person, forever.

Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns.

Answer 10

~sigh~

Soul shaper - the Jews did not have that man killed. It was the State of Rome that had him killed, if we are to believe the accounts in the bible.

That kind of statement perpetuates religious bigotry against Jews.