Jehovah's Witnesses..You are always telling us that JW's have never claimed to be a Prophet of Gods'

Question

but I have found many , many quotes from your very own Watchtower that says you do feel that way..in fact the organization is your Mother..and God is the Father too..

here is one quote from your Watchtower..

Jehovah's Witnesses are identified as God's prophet to the nations for today (Watchtower, 15 January 1959, pp. 40-41

So, why do you keep saying that you have never claimed that?

SheisShe.........Amos 3:7 says..Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his sevants and prophets..

So, you are now telling us that your Faithful Slave class as you call them..they are Prophets of God..How come the JW's deny it over and over on here? I don't understand..

Adam's Rib..What do you mean so what?
They have many , many dates of things that they have predicted and failed over and over again..
Yet when it is pointed out to JW's ..they deny that they ever claimed to be a Prophet..So I don't understand how you can say "so what"..that is what the JW's say about everything it seems that they can't explain..

TeeM.. Would you like me to put all of the other quotes from the Watchtower that contridicts everything that you just wrote? I will be glad to. It will take up a lot of space..but, the evidence is here for the research.
What about the quote above in the original question? Do JW's change their minds from time to time..Sometimes, they are God's Prophet and sometimes, they are not?

Tee...No one denies that faithfulness of the JW's to their religious beliefs..They believe what they teach with their whole hearts..
As for Billy Graham and Martin L. King..
They do not continue to give false dates over and over again and then try to deny these things..They have not rewritten the Bible to fit their beliefs..They do not have millions of people following them and not able to research for themselves exactly what they are saying..They have free will to disagree with teachings..JW's do not..If they disagree with teachings then they are called Apostates..which is unfair and unjust.

Tee.....speaking of Scholars..why is it that JW's will give the name of 1 scholar that agrees with their Bible..? But, they fail to tell all the negative things that that same 1 scholars says about the NWT..
Why can the JW's quote a scholar and that means that their bible is the most accurate..
But if we quote a scholar or 6 or 7 or 12 scholars that don't agree with your translation..that is wrong to do?

before I choose best answer..I would just like to say to the JW's..i am not trying to be insulting to you ..I have great love for JW's..I was one for over 37 years..My entire family are JW's.. I know how much they truely believe what they teach..I know they are good people..I only wish, they that could have the Christian freedom that God gave us..and would really seach and make sure of their beliefs as the Bible tells us to make sure of all things..Not because you don't believe the JW..that is fine if you believe them..but, why not search yourself..and really make sure you are serving Jehovah they way that pleases him. Many true Christians through out the world are telling about the good news..not just JWs. Christians love God just as much as you do..For some reason you think they don't..You think they don't have Gods' favor..and the Bible says God is not a partial God. I would start by getting a new Bible..just read it..a different one and see what you find out, just by reading it.

Answer 1

JWs claim to be a "prophet of the Ezekiel class." When pressed to explain why their predictions don't come true if their organization is a prophet, they state there are two different kinds of prophets: a prophet that speaks FOR God (such as Isaiah) and a prophet that receives "progressive revelation" from God; this kind of prophet is not expected to be 100%, therefore the prohibition of Deuteronomy 18 against false prophets doesn't apply to them.

This is nothing more than cultish double-speak. First of all, Ezekiel was every bit the prophet that Isaiah was; there is NO indication whatsoever that God felt Ezekiel was not a true prophet in the OT sense.

Secondly, the NT proves prophecy (or speaking for God) MUST always be 100% accurate. Since the WBTS has issued many false predictions, it fails the NT test for prophets.

Answer 2

Amos 3:7

Answer 3

they think of they might artwork around the fake prophet themes by way of claiming to be "prophet" who're "prophesying" into making stupid "prophecies"! if it particularly is so then all predictors of events are called "prophet" consisting of climate forecasters, yet those predictors do no longer basically like the Watchtower's replaced definition on the be conscious "prophet" in costs! Then consistency could dictate that each and every person "user-friendly and discreet slave" in costs throughout their comparable literature ability they at the instant are not the genuine user-friendly and discreet slave from the Bible!

Answer 4

It all boils down to they don't have a clue what they are talking about, they make it up as they go along and they are talking out of their a@*. I'm afraid some of them might get really hurt if they don't get off the fence!

Answer 5

My point exactly!!
One day I said to them "doesnt it say that God does nothing but reveal his scecrets to the Prophets" as in the bible, and he says "yes we believe that" and I said, okay, do you have a living prophet? And he almost choked on his tongue as he swallowed so hard. He almost ran out my house. Hillarious.

Answer 6

Former JW here

We were trained to ignore the truth.

Answer 7

you are right so jw watch out

Answer 8

Actually the quote is

"JW's have never claimed to be inspired or infallible"

Insight Book:

But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, . . . Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12) . . . If his message contradicted God’s revealed will and standards, he was false. Thus, a prophet who foretold peace for Israel or Judah, at a time when the people were engaging in disobedience to God’s Word and Law, of necessity was false.—Jer 6:13, 14; 14:11-16.

*** w79 3/1 pp. 23-24 par. 15 To Whom Shall We Go but Jesus Christ? ***

15 Because of this hope, the “faithful and discreet slave” has alerted all of God’s people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God’s Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect.

Those writings by certain members of the “slave” class that came to form the Christian part of God’s Word were inspired and infallible, (in reference to the apostles) but that is not true of other writings since. Things published were not perfect in the days of Charles Taze Russell, first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society; nor were they perfect in the days of J. F. Rutherford, the succeeding president. The increasing light on God’s Word as well as the facts of history have repeatedly required that adjustments of one kind or another be made down to the very present time. But let us never forget that the motives of this “slave” were always pure, unselfish; at all times it has been well-meaning. Moreover, the words found at Romans 8:28 are fitting here also: “God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose.” Actually, any adjustments that have been made in understanding have furnished an opportunity for those being served by this “slave” to show loyalty and love, the kind of love that Jesus said would mark his followers. (John 13:34, 35; compare 1 Peter 4:8.) For those who truly love God’s law there is no stumbling block.—Ps. 119:165.


Notice the history of the this.

Some claim we claim inspiration and then back down.

This is false.

1870s: We do not object to changing our opinions on any subject, or discarding former applications of prophecy, or any other scripture, when we see a good reason for the change,—in fact, it is important that we should be willing to unlearn errors and mere traditions, as to learn truth.... It is our duty to "prove all things."—by the unerring Word,—"and hold fast to that which is good."

1880s: “We have not the gift of prophecy.”[5]

We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology.

Zion's Watch Tower, 1908
1890s: Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible, or on a par with the holy Scriptures. The most we claim or have ever claimed for our teachings is that they are what we believe to be harmonious interpretations of the divine Word, in harmony with the spirit of the truth. And we still urge, as in the past, that each reader study the subjects we present in the light of the Scriptures, proving all things by the Scriptures, accepting what they see to be thus approved, and rejecting all else. It is to this end, to enable the student to trace the subject in the divinely inspired Record, that we so freely intersperse both quotations and citations of the Scriptures upon which to build.[6]

1900s: It is not our intention to enter upon the role of prophet to any degree, but merely to give below what seems to us rather likely to be the trend of events—giving also the reasons for our expectations.[7]

Someone may ask, Do you, then, claim infallibility and that every sentence appearing in "The Watch Tower" publications is stated with absolute correctness? Assuredly we make no such claim and have never made such a claim. What motive can our opponents have in so charging against us? Are they not seeking to set up a falsehood to give themselves excuse for making attacks and to endeavor to pervert the judgments of others?[8]

1910s: However, we should not denounce those who in a proper spirit express their dissent in respect to the date mentioned [1914] and what may there be expected . . . We must admit that there are possibilities of our having made a mistake in respect to the chronology, even though we do not see where any mistake has been made in calculating the seven times of the Gentiles as expiring about October 1, 1914.[9]

1920s: Many students have made the grievous mistake of thinking that God has inspired men to interpret prophecy. The holy prophets of the Old Testament were inspired by Jehovah to write as his power moved upon them. The writers of the New Testament were clothed with certain power and authority to write as the Lord directed them. However, since the days of the apostles no man on earth has been inspired to write prophecy, nor has any man been inspired to interpret prophecy.[10]

1930s: We are not a prophet; we merely believe that we have come to the place where the Gentile times have ended[11]

1940s: This pouring out of God's spirit upon the flesh of all his faithful anointed witnesses does not mean those now serving as Jehovah's Witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes. It does not mean that the president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is inspired and infallible, although enemies falsely charge us with believing so.... But we confess with the Scriptures that the day of such inspiration passed long before 1870, as the apostle Paul showed it would. . . . Inspired speaking and writing passed away with the last of the twelve apostles, by whom the gifts of the spirit were imparted to others. Yet God is still able to teach and lead us. While confessing no inspiration for today for anyone on earth, we do have the privilege of praying God for more of his holy spirit and for his guidance of us by the bestowal of his spirit through Jesus Christ.[12]

1950s: The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures.[13]

1960s: The book [Life Everlasting in Freedom of Sons of God] merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it[14]

Our chronology, however, ... is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible)[15]

Don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975

F. W. Franz, quoted in The Watchtower, 15 October 1966, page 231.

1970s: In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect. Those writings by certain members of the “slave” class that came to form the Christian part of God’s Word were inspired and infallible, but that is not true of other writings since. Things published were not perfect in the days of Charles Taze Russell, first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society; nor were they perfect in the days of J. F. Rutherford, the succeeding president. The increasing light on God’s Word as well as the facts of history have repeatedly required that adjustments of one kind or another be made down to the very present time.[16]

1980s: It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible. Like Joseph of old, we say: “Do not interpretations belong to God?” (Genesis 40:8) At the same time, however, we firmly believe that the explanations set forth herein harmonize with the Bible in its entirety, showing how remarkably divine prophecy has been fulfilled in the world events of our catastrophic times.[17]

1990s: Those who make up the one true Christian organization today do not have angelic revelations or divine inspiration. But they do have the inspired Holy Scriptures, which contain revelations of God’s thinking and will. As an organization and individually, they must accept the Bible as divine truth, study it carefully, and let it work in them.[18]

2000s: Although the slave class is defined as “faithful and discreet,” Jesus did not say that it would be infallible. This group of faithful anointed brothers still consists of imperfect Christians. Even with the best of intentions, they can be mistaken, as such men sometimes were in the first century.[19]

It’s therefore quite clear that Jehovah’s Witnesses make no claim to divine inspiration for their publications. Thus, the critics' assertion that “the Watch Tower claims to be an "inspired prophet” is manifestly false.

Edit:

Do Jehovah's Witnesses put forth God's standards ahead of their own?

Yes, ask the brothers in prison?

Do Jehovah's Witnesses preach God's word?

Yes, who is that knocking on your door?

In this sense we tell others about the God of the Bible.

In no sense have we claimed to be "INSPIRED PROPHETS"

Notice this quote from the 59WT pg 40:

" Who discerned the divine will for Christians in this time of the world’s end and offered themselves to do it?"

The context reads "Who discerned", not 'Who is inspired'

It is easy to pick and choose what you want from any publication, including the Bible, to prove anything you want.

Do Jehovah's Witnesses have God's spirit? Yes

Otherwise with all the hatred and attacks upon us, we would have gone the way of the false prophets in Jesus' day.

Are Jehovah's Wintesses perfect? No.

Nor more than any other Christian.

People quote all kinds of scholars today in support of 'their' teachings

People view these scholars as inspired in the way they are quoted.

J.W.'s can't be correct on this verse because 'Scholar So and So' said this.

No one calls Billy Graham a false prophet and yet he stated the end to come in the 1950's.

No one calls Martin Luther a false prophet yet he stated that end would come in his day.

It's amazing how many 'Christians' at the door tell me

"We are living in the last days since 1948"

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