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2 Samuel 12:29-31:

"And David gathered all the people together, and went to Rabbah, and fought against it, and took it. And he took their king's crown from off his head, the weight whereof [was] a talent of gold with the precious stones: and it was [set] on David's head. And he brought forth the spoil of the city in great abundance. And he brought forth the people that [were] therein, and put [them] under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick kiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem."

This isn't meant to be a single quote taken in isolation that's supposed to just destroy the faith of Jews and Christians. That's silly. Go ahead, read it in full context. I honestly want to know what you all think of the passage.

2007-07-18 00:56:30 · 16 answers · asked by The Man Comes Around 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

You don't need a specific question. It's a quote about an army of Jews genocidally destroying a population - to the point of burning them alive. What do you think of that?

And don't you find it ironic that many of the people who would ordinarily be arguing for the existence of enduring moral principles will argue that King David was "a child of his day" or that "that's just how wars were back then"? Does that say anything about the notion of moral continuity in the Bible?

It was a general question because you either want to think about it and answer it, or you want to offer some trite one line dismissal. That's fine, too. I do it. Get your points.

2007-07-18 01:08:09 · update #1

16 answers

Where do you get that they were burnt alive? "and made them pass through the brick kiln" is figurative- it means they dragged them through the mud of the streets. In other words- there was a war- David won, and he took captives, and after yoking them together he dragged them through the streets.

And why is it referred to as a "brick kiln'- because being embarassed is often referred to as "burning"- a reference to the heat of blood rising to the cheeks- so the captives were humiliated by being dragged through muddy streets.

2007-07-18 02:27:21 · answer #1 · answered by allonyoav 7 · 2 0

I think that King David took captives and put them to work instead of killing them.

ESV 2 Samuel 12:29 So David gathered all the people together and went to Rabbah and fought against it and took it. 30 And he took the crown of their king from his head. The weight of it was a talent of gold, and in it was a precious stone, and it was placed on David's head. And he brought out the spoil of the city, a very great amount. 31 And he brought out the people who were in it and set them to labor with saws and iron picks and iron axes and made them toil at the brick kilns. And thus he did to all the cities of the Ammonites. Then David and all the people returned to Jerusalem.

2007-07-18 01:04:39 · answer #2 · answered by Martin S 7 · 2 1

It Means Selling Your Soul To The Devil For Rich & Goods Like For Example Say That You Wanna Be A Famous Singer So Instead Of Believing In God & Having Faith In God & Yourself You Turn To The Devil For Fast Fame & Money. Thats Not Good Either, It Happened A lot With Rock Bands Back Then & Still Happens Today Even With Alot Rappers Now.

2016-05-21 16:38:27 · answer #3 · answered by bernadine 3 · 0 0

Good question, even for a Satanist.

The people of Ammon had tainted blood. It was tainted by cross breeding with Nephilim, Raphaim, and Zanzumen. These where the hybrid man/demon beings who inhabited the earth pre flood, and who spent the 400 years of Israels time in Egypt populating the promised land with hybrids, so that the bloodlines of the Yahudim (Jews) would be tainted, and thus prevent the messiah from being born, or from being able to shed his perfect blood in exchange for ours.
Today some might call this ethnic cleansing or genocide, its just a shame they (the Yahudim) did not have the stomach to obey this comand regarding the other tainted inhabitants of the land. The whole world would be a better place today if they had.
Yahushua Shalom
Isn't it time you surrendered to the will of Yahuwah, and give your life to Yahushua his son, who died to pay the price for your sin?
Stephen

2007-07-18 01:09:47 · answer #4 · answered by Stephen 2 · 1 1

Is your point that David wasn't acting in a very Christian way?

1) The Old Testament teaching was "An eye for an eye" and many times it was do unto your neighbor before he does it unto you. This is what David learned that God wanted.

2) David was an army general and king. He was not a profit or priest.

So if your point was tha David did not act like a Christian, you are correct. He acted as a military leader that was taught to eliminate your opponents so they don't come back to get you later.

He made a lot of other mistakes too. Have you ever made one?

2007-07-18 01:30:52 · answer #5 · answered by Kevin B 2 · 0 2

Is your point that there were wars chronicled in the Old Testament, or what. Or that God caused wars? Why don't you put your theories forward, then someone might be able to comment more precisely. I see the scripture listed, simply as part of a history lesson.

2007-07-18 01:17:11 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

I must admit that the bible is full of murder, violence and sex, it is there in black and white, Jesus is also called the son of man because he had to come down Thur Davids line of descent, read Matthew 1;1 he also was called the son of David and David himself sinned by committing adultery and murder. I look for the love of Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins but what you wrote is the truth and nothing but the truth. you are deep into the word and the spirit is with you!!

2007-07-18 04:16:46 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Lots of the old testament is full of blood and guts.

I don't remember the exact verse 2nd Kings, but God called down bears to dismember Jewish youths who made fun of Isiah's bald pate.

Full of blood and guts.

2007-07-18 01:09:22 · answer #8 · answered by whatotherway 7 · 0 2

To recognize the sincerity of David's love for God does not require us to indorse everything he did. He was a child of his own day.

2007-07-18 01:02:12 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

It's a quote, what else should I think? You need to be more specific with the question.

2007-07-18 01:04:06 · answer #10 · answered by Machaira 5 · 0 1

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