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I'm serious about this one, I really want to know.

2007-07-16 17:07:02 · 22 answers · asked by papadego 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

The theif on the Cross doesn't count, because he was dying. My gosh, I'm starting to see what the Atheists are talking about when they talk about Christians not having common sense.

2007-07-16 17:12:22 · update #1

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no where does it mention "once saved always saved". Even the great St. Paul wasn't sure about his salvation. he tells us that we should work out our salvation w/ "fear and trembling".

"So, people who think they are standing firmly should be careful that they don't fall" I Cor. 10:12

"Rather, I toughen my body with punches and make it my slave so that I will not be disqualified after I have spread the Good News to others." I Cor. 9:27

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" Hebrews 10:26

2007-07-16 17:09:41 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 9 0

There is no "once saved always saved" in the bible. Salvation must be worked on daily, it is not just a one time thing saying " I believe in Jesus so now Iam saved" It doesnt work that way.Lots of people believe in Christ, but those same people do not live by the commandments and continue to sin everyday without ever seeking forgiveness or repenting. No God will never take the gift of salvation from us, but we can surely reject that gift.

"As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

2007-07-17 00:19:36 · answer #2 · answered by tebone0315 7 · 1 0

I think when people say that they were saved when they accepted Jesus into their heart and confessed their sins and were baptised, that they were speaking from the heart. I think they know deep down that salvation is far from easy. I think they know that works are a part of the scheme. I believe there are a few that were saved at that moment as their lives reflected that gift. with God all things are possible, instant salvation and salvation through trial.

the bible could be seen to be saying instant salvation in some cases, but in light of so much evidence to the contrary it is likely that instant salvation is reserved for those like the Virgin Mary.

2007-07-17 07:39:48 · answer #3 · answered by Giorgio M 2 · 0 0

It doesn't say that in fact. But it does say those who are baptised have received the down payment on eternal life.
These words of the Apostle contain a most serious and affectionate exhortation to this purpose. "Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Ephesians 1:13:

In whom also you yourselves, having believed the word of the truth, the good news of your deliverance, in whom also having believed, you were sealed.

In the Roman world, a seal did two things. It declared ownership and it declared the owner’s intention to protect his property and to go after the person who attempted to break the seal. The Romans shipped grain from Egypt by sea to Italy in order to feed themselves. They had given up farming and now they relied on the Egyptian breadbasket to keep them going. When the Egyptians shipped the millions of bushels to Italy, the grain was put into burlap bags, which were then sealed with a dried clay seal. The Roman seal said two things: this belongs to Rome, and Rome will protect it. If pirates stole it, the Roman fleet found them and destroyed them. They protected it. Paul used the symbol of the seal the same way. God is not going to break the seal because the Holy Spirit is His arrabon. If anyone else attempts to break the seal, the presence of the Spirit of God proclaims two things: this person is owned by God and this person will be protected by God. The Holy Spirit is the arrabon. After we believed, we were sealed by the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is an arrabon, a "non-redeemable down payment of our inheritance."

Notice the term inheritance. Inheritance is the completion of everything

2007-07-17 00:23:01 · answer #4 · answered by dreamdress2 6 · 0 0

It's implied. But I wouldn't expect those that believe in free-will to latch on to this concept. After all, if you can opt in through your own decision, why wouldn't you be able to opt out, unless you just want to claim an assurance and quote the verses that support this tenet?

Proponents of God's sovereignty, on the other hand, believe that if it's God's prerogative as to who will be saved, then he also has the power to keep you in the palm of His hand. I go with this view myself. You don't just turn belief on and off like a light switch. Either you see the light or you don't. And once you see the light, why would you want to go back into darkness unless the Lord hadn't chosen you in the first place?

2007-07-17 00:23:03 · answer #5 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0 1

It does not say that, and if you want the truth if you give your life to God and dont make any effort to obey jesus's teachings you actually have a higher chance of going to hell.
Believe it or not, Christians actually are in more danger then anybody else. the Non believer however the bible say's they are Judged already but if an Non believer was to change and become christian I betcha that A Non believer will be a much more loyal and faithful christian then the always a christian why? because they've seen both fields and know both of them.

2007-07-17 00:11:25 · answer #6 · answered by vengeance45458 2 · 1 2

Doesnt exist. Just because you """accept Christ""" doesnt mean your saved. Faith is nothing without works.
It basically means that you have to work your butt off doing good and keeping the commandments till the day you die.
We are saved by the Grace of God BUT we gotta work for it to. Otherwise we are just making a mockery of the entire Plan of our Heavenly Father.
Baptism is just a gateway to the beginning of our new life, from then we need to "endure to the end" which means "keep up the good work"

2007-07-17 00:16:23 · answer #7 · answered by twikfat 4 · 4 0

The bible does not mention that. The bible gives us an indication that onece saved not always saved. The christian life is a walk and you cannot claim to be a christian if you are living like the world. Jesus said "Those that stand firm to the end will be saved"

2007-07-17 00:13:15 · answer #8 · answered by just me 2 · 4 1

"With regard to despair, every appetitive movement that is conformed to a false intellect, is evil in itself and sinful. Now presumption is an appetitive movement, since it denotes an inordinate hope. Moreover it is conformed to a false intellect, just as despair is: for just as it is false that God does not pardon the repentant, or that He does not turn sinners to repentance, so is it false that He grants forgiveness to those who persevere in their sins, and that He gives glory to those who cease from good works: and it is to this estimate that the movement of presumption is conformed." - St. Thomas Aquinas ("Summa Theologica" 13th century A.D.)

The false doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved" seems to have blossomed with Fundamentalist Christians although it's origins date back to 16th century Calvinism. The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot. He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others. Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven? According to this doctrine, I would say Fundamentalist Christians would have to believe Judas is in Heaven as he more than met the requirements of salvation according to this doctrine.

2007-07-17 07:48:23 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

1 Cor. 3:14-15 "If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames."
I posted it now why don't you believe it?
I see others posted on here as well, I just didn't see this scripture posted and I think it is simple to understand.
Paul is talking about "Works" in these scriptures.

2007-07-17 00:46:01 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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