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2007-07-16 07:42:32 · 7 answers · asked by mistagauge7 1 in Business & Finance Taxes United States

Ok this is why I ask this question www.freedomtofacism.com

2007-07-16 11:21:21 · update #1

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Another person who watched Freedom to Fascism. I don't have the time to debunk every point in that movie. I suggest you watch it again and write down every argument Aaron Russo makes in the movie. Then, go to http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html Almost every tax protestor argument is completely debunked at that site.

Here are a few facts. Feel free to look them up.

Irwin Schiff, one of the people in the film has been convicted for the THIRD time. By the time he gets out of jail, if he doesn't get released early for health reasons, he'll be 88 years old and will STILL HAVE TO PAY HIS TAXES. I believe he has also been fined around $4.8 million. I don't have the reference to the fine amount, so that might be wrong.

Vernice Kuglin, while she wasn't convicted of criminal charges, still ended up having to pay taxes and penalties.
Amazingly, the transcripts to the Kuglin trial and verdict are on Irwin Schiff's website. There is also another copy of the transcripts at http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/kuglin/kuglin.htm
It really is funny that tax protestors hold up this verdict as some great victory. Here is a short excerpt from that transcript that Schiff and Russo probably don't want you to read.
In U.S. v. Kuglin, CR-03-20111, near the end of the transcripts, pg. 776,

THE COURT: So anything else from the United States?

MR. MURPHY (Federal lawyer): Just one thing, to put Ms. Kuglin on notice, she has got to pay taxes, I think the court
ought to instruct her that that is the law. She has got to file returns and --

MR. BECRAFT (Lawyer for defense): Your Honor, that is going to be cleaned up totally.

THE COURT: Okay. Well, Mr. Murphy is not incorrect that it is the law, and I think what he's also saying is there will still be civil penalties.

MR. BECRAFT: I expect probably 90-day letters to be coming pretty quick.

THE COURT: Okay.

MR. BECRAFT: And there's going to be civil proceedings, and she is going to being take responsibility -- she is going to be doing things to respond to all of that like file returns, Your Honor.


So, as anyone can plainly see, Kuglin was acquitted by a jury of her peers of "Willful failure to file", but that she still has to pay her income taxes. If I remember correctly, she had approximately $930,000 in income over a six year period and she ended up paying a little over $500,000 in taxes and penalties. It would have been cheaper for her to just pay her taxes in the first place.

Title 26 is the codification of the Internal Revenue Code.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26.html
You can read the actual Internal Revenue Code in the U.S. Statutes at large available at Federal Depository Libraries. The basis for today's tax laws is the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 which was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Eisenhower. Amendments and modifications to the IRC have all been passed by Congress and signed by a President.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/libraries.html

Also, the whole bit about the Federal Reserve is wrong also. You can read the law concerning the Federal Reserve in the U.S. Code Title 12, Chapter 3.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sup_01_12_10_3.html

The quote attributed to Woodrow Wilson, that starts with "I am a most unhappy man..." is probably false. Parts of the quote are taken out of context from Wilson's book, "The New Freedom". You can read it for yourself at the Project Gutenberg, http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14811

Another quote taken completely out of context was a quote by President Clinton. Here it is as the film quotes it.
“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…”

Here is the real quote from Clinton,
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=46264
"You know, we can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles—it's something I strongly support—we can't be so fixated on that that we are unable to think about the reality of life that millions of Americans face on streets that are unsafe, under conditions that no other nation—no other nations—has permitted to exist."
As anyone can clearly see, Clinton's quote has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do about taxation.

It is a favorite tax protestor ploy to take quotes and statements out of context. Especially quotes from court cases. Therefore, don't take someone's word what a court case says, look it up for yourself and read them. Anyone can read Federal Appellate and Supreme Court opinions at http://www.findlaw.com You have to register as a law professional, but it is free.

One last thing, in the U.S. Judicial system it is not allowed, with some minor exceptions, for either the plaintiff or defense to show the jury the law. They are only allowed to put forth their version of the facts. It is the judge's responsibility to inform the jury what is in the applicable law. This is to prevent the jury from MISINTERPRETING the law. However, Title 26 of the U.S. Code is the prima facie law covering income taxes.

2007-07-16 11:45:27 · answer #1 · answered by NGC6205 7 · 1 0

Age old argument. Congress aproved income tax

1861

In July 1861, the Congress passed a 3% tax on all net income above $600 a year (about $10,000 today). However, no revenue was ever raised because a second tax passed before the first was due (on June 30, 1862). The war's demand on resources made the earlier tax ineffective, and the sale of bonds could not keep up with the expenditures of the administration and the armies. In March, the Congress passed an income tax of 3% on annual incomes of $600 to $10,000 and 5% on incomes from $10,000 to $50,000 and threw in a small inheritance tax too. Lincoln signed the bill on July 1, 1862 to take effect a month later. The Union debt then stood at $505 million.[2] This tax also included the first appearance of withholding and was applied to federal salaries and on interest and dividends.[3]

Meanwhile, factions within the Congress cobbled together a compromise amendment and in 1909, President Taft, known to be favorable to an income tax, if not necessarily an amendment, stated that although ratification may be difficult, he had "become convinced that a great majority of the people of this country are in favor of vesting the National Government with power to levy an income tax."[12]

That same year, the income tax amendment passed overwhelmingly in the Congress and was sent off to the states. The last state ratified the amendment on February 13, 1913. The Springfield Republican reported "The Sixteenth Amendment owes its existence mainly to the West and South, where individual incomes of $5,000 or over are comparatively few."[13]

2007-07-16 07:46:31 · answer #2 · answered by wizjp 7 · 0 0

This is getting truly tiresome. If you don't believe that there's a law then just don't pay and see what happens. OK?

As with anything, there has to be a law for the government to do anything. There's a law that says you have to have a driver's license and another one that says you can't drive drunk and another one that says you can't hang your wiener out in public.

There's a small band of lunatics who don't think that there's a law and that there's some massive conspiracy to defraud taxpayers of their income. But if a drunk driver ran down their little girl walking home from school they'd scream bloody murder about THAT. Same concept.

2007-07-16 10:04:24 · answer #3 · answered by Bostonian In MO 7 · 0 1

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26.html

Title 26 - Internal Revenue Code

2007-07-16 08:08:41 · answer #4 · answered by Wayne Z 7 · 2 0

You may not find the exact law or document...but you can find a lot of people in jail who didn't pay!

2007-07-16 07:51:23 · answer #5 · answered by rdl29073 1 · 0 1

check www.irs.gov

The irs should have a link to its statutory information. If not, then check a law library.

2007-07-16 07:48:07 · answer #6 · answered by Raf 5 · 0 0

I think it's like the 16th Amendment or something...

2007-07-16 07:49:57 · answer #7 · answered by titanpup2005 2 · 0 1

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