Christain and Jews argument about the Messiah?

Question

Many Jews here quote verses from the Book of Isaiah to argue that Jesus is not the messiah and they show that Jesus did not fulfill all the requirements of the prophecised Messiah.
Without just saying Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies and such, state some verses from the old testament which clearly indicate Jesus was the foretold Messiah. No ambiguity.

They state many requirements which they say he clearly did not fulfill. Where is the Christian argument to this. Some verses please. No links.

Answer 1

Jesus fulfilled no prophecies. On top of everything else- the idea of an anthropomorphic God fathering children is a pagan one, and completely divorced from Judaic belief, never mind the dualistic belief that has entered into Christianity of a Good God vs an evil God (Satan), ot the polytheism (the trinity), or the non-adherence to the law though it is explictly stated in Devarim (Deuteronomy) Chapter 13
1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.
2. If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
3. and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, [and he] says, "Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us worship them,"
4. you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul.
5. You shall follow the Lord, your God, fear Him, keep His commandments, heed His voice, worship Him, and cleave to Him.

Or the fact that tribal affiliation is ONLY through the biological father, and there is no adoption into a tribe, thus neither MAry's not Joseph's connection to the House of David is relevant if God is his progenitor.

And none of the following have happened:
world peace.
Resurrection of the dead
Dissapearance of sin
Ingathering of all Jews to Israel
A functioning temple
The full temple service in use
Ashes of a red heffer to render us pure
Acknowledgement by the rest of the world of the supremacy of God and acceptance of the Jews as priests to the rest of the nations

Answer 2

You have asked for the impossible. The only way that there would be no ambiguity would be a prophesy in the old testament that says something like Jesus Christ will be born on this date to this woman, and 33 years later He will be crucified on a Roman cross.

Prophesies are always cryptic, and often have a short-term as well as a long-term fulfillment.

The Old Testament gives 2 pictures of Messiah: Suffering servant and conquering king. The physical Jesus who walked the earth fulfilled the first picture. At His resurrection He spiritually fulfilled the 2nd. When He returns He will set up His earthly kingdom.

Answer 3

These are the textual requirements for the messiah:
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
Which one of these requirements did Jesus fulfill????

Answer 4

If you look into the original meaning of those 'prophecies' that Jesus allegedly fulfilled, it's an absolute hoot. The early Christians and Church fathers got real creative with their interpretations of Hebrew poetry.

I have yet to find a single 'prophecy' that Jesus fulfills which does require a significant amount of mistranslating.

So why are the Christians so absolutely sure that the Jewish interpretations can't possibly be right? They are our texts, after all.

Answer 5

As I understand it, the Jews felt the Messiah was going to come and save them from Roman rule. Since that wasn't the reason Jesus came, they don't view him as their Messiah.

Answer 6

One thing I don't understand is why it seems that Jews think that He (Jesus) HAD to fulfill all at once. Seems to me that He can fulfill them when He wants to as He's ... idk ... the Son of God and part of the Triune Godhead.