Does God Exsist?

Question

If God does exist of course, he must be eternal, active, and necessary.

I then assume, and shall also show, that if He is eternal, active and necessary, He must be eternally active and eternally necessary. Consequently, He could not have been at any moment inactive or unnecessary. This shows, finally, that He was never created. Here is my proof.

To say that God is not eternally active is to admit that He has not always been active, that He became so, that He began to be active, that before being so He was not. Since his activity was manifested through His act of creation, it is the same as admitting that during the billions of years possibly preceding creation God was inactive.

To say that God is not eternally necessary is to admit that He has not been always necessary, that He became so, that He began to be so, that before being necessary He was not so. Since the Creation proclaims and testifies to the necessity of God, we must also admit that during the billions of years possibly preceding the creation God was useless.

God was useless!

God idle and lazy!

God superfluous and useless!

What a bad situation for the Being essentially active and essentially necessary! We must admit, then, that all times God has been active and necessary. But then, he could not have created because the idea of creation absolutely implies the idea of a beginning. Something that begins could not have existed all the time. There necessarily must have been a time when before coming into being the thing was not at all. No matter how long or short the time preceding the created thing may be, it cannot be ignored

Thus the results are:

Either God is not eternally active and eternally necessary, and in this case He became so with Creation. If it is so, God, before Creation, did not possess the two attributes of activity and necessity. Such a God was incomplete; it was a fragment of God nothing more. And to become active and necessary, to complete Himself, he needed to create.

Or God is eternally active and eternally necessary, and in this case He has been creation eternally; the creation has always been going on. The Universe has never begun; it existed all the time; it is eternal like God; it is God Himself, and He is lost in it.
If it is so, the universe never had any beginning; it has not been created.

Therefore, in the first case, God, before Creation, was neither active nor necessary; He was incomplete, that is, imperfect-- and, then He does not exist. In the second case, God, being eternally active and eternally necessary, has not become so and, therefore He has not created.
It is impossible to conclude otherwise.

There is lots more where that came from if you want more let me know. Please, try to argue.

Read the actual essay, theres more to the "question".

Answer 1

I have to admit I didn't read your whole diatribe. I am one of those people who believes that creation happened after existence but I don't see that as a corollary to necessity, whatever you meant by that.Your Argument loses focus at the concept of necessity, which is vague and oversimplified. I do believe, however, that there are very few who belief that there was existence before G-d, and so your question won't relate to most people. Only by believing this, however, am I am able to make any sense of a concept of a G-d. BTW I'm not taking any chances. Christianity is a whole separate issue, isnt it? I have a feeling I will frequently edit this answer.


OK I read your whole thing and I think you fail in your argument by using the work "necessary." What does that mean? Necessary for what? For whom? Your personal opinion clouds your question and makes it non-objective because it is clear you are directing your question towards believers (most likely Christians). You must define your words. You must define necessity.

Who is saying G-d is "eternally active and eternally necessary, and in this case he has been creation eternally." You said that. You can't make a philosophical argument with personal theological/spiritual viewpoints or anti-viewpoints. You can't do both. It fails.

PS I'm not Christian, Athiest or anything else with an agenda.

Answer 2

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Note this is NOT the universe!

God is the same yesterday, today and forever so if he created a world, the earth, populated it with human beings, and provided a way for them to return with him, what did he do yesterday, today and tomorrow? The same thing. If you think this is the only world he ever created or that he will ever create, that is very limited thinking and God would be pretty bored. We are God's children and this is what he does.

God organized and formed the earth and heavens.
The original Hebrew verb bara’, used in the Hebrew Bible account of the Creation. This Hebrew term and its Semitic cognates literally mean to form, to shape out, to fashion by cutting already existing material

Answer 3

If there was such thing as a "big bang", someone, something must have started it. whoever lit the fuse you can call anything you want - god, allah, budha, whatever. However humans were enterpreneural enough to make big business of diety. The problem is that humans think that their god think,wish, do like humans. So when a preacher says "because god said so" or "god wants you to worship him", all these are human traits. God never said anything nor has he/she/it written anything. There is yet to prove that god has actually said or wiitten anything in the bible or the koran. Inspired by god? when did that happen.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

Hmm...reminds me of Douglas Adams' "Babel fish" argument.

You argument is flawed when you state that before Creation, God was inactive, and therefore could not have existed.

Creation--that is, the moment when "the world as we know it" came into being--was what Stephen Hawking referred to as a singularity. That is, it was so completely different from whatever came before, that we have no basis for comparison. It is literally an unimaginable state, because none of the laws of existence as we experience them apply.

God before Creation was active, and therefore necessary--but we have no way of knowing what He was doing.

This pretty much invalidates the rest of your theory.

Answer 6

God is a creation of man. Such a creation is the one true thing that separates us from other animals on this planet. As we evolved larger brains, we were able to ask ourselves such questions as, where do we go when we die? Our leaders were required to come up with answers, so they did.

We KNOW that the universe is not eternal, for four reasons: universe expansion, cosmic background radiation, helium abundance, and Olber's paradox. This strongly implies that if God does exist, he surely is not eternally active and necessary.

Answer 7

God has always been. He wasn't created at all, but is the Creator of all. I understand that this concept may seem complicated, but He's not like us. Trying to assume to know the what's and why's God does what He does without really knowing and having a relationship with Him would be like me trying to make an assumption about you without me even knowing you. It can't be done.

The really exciting part of this conversation is that at this very moment, God is drawing you to Himself! Just the fact that you are trying to figure it all out in the first place is proof of that. Your very desire to explore this topic is coming from the Creator, God, Himself! God is pursuing you. Love and Blessings to you in your quest for truth!

Answer 8

If you keep you in the place of God and doing a creative thing (say small car or a toy) these statements will much use full that you did not exist and inactive before doing this car or toy.

Answer 9

I died once from a brain haemorrage and After a while of lying in this cool and quiet marble place I motioned this person who was rushing by and I said can anyone give me anything for pain..For Pain he Exclaimed ! . How can you be in pain he retorted as he lifted a medallion that lay on my chest OH OH you have not arrived quite yet...Just relax we will get you to where you should be the next thing I Remember is Mr ********
Mr ********* Where does it hurt can you hear me I said yes and they said You gave us a scare we thought we had lost you
I remember before i left that marble place God said to me Be of good faith my son and we will meet again very soon..NO BULLSHIT INTENDED

Answer 10

Yes, God does exist. I didn't feel like reading all that stuff afterwards, because apparently it's a bit offensive in tone.

I believe that He exists, and I believe that as humans we cannot fully comprehend God's existence. I belive that God is omniscient and omnipotent and immortal, and our minds are not capable of comprehending God's infinite qualities. It is discouraged in my religion to ponder questions such as "How did God come into existence" and "How can God exist forever" because, again, as humans that knowledge is beyond our scope. That is what I believe as a Muslim.