To Homosexuals: Why does it matter if it is how you are made or if it is a choice?

Question

I have listened to 'official' gay community spolespersons state that 'God made us this way' and that it is not a choice to be gay.
At the same time they have rejected the SAME claims from pedophiles and those that practice beastiality.
Why? Can't they make the same claim?
Of course, I am coming from the Christian view that homosexuality is sinful, as is pedophilia and beastiality.
As is revenge.
I think that most would agree that revenge is natural. Who does not feel the desire to 'get back' at someone?
The Christian question is do we give in to natural desires of subjugate them to our will, and obedience to God?
I no longer argue the point that God made man to be with woman and that it is entirely environmental and a choice, because it does not matter.
We live in a sinful world where things are not as God planned. Birth defects are a great example. Natural? YES. As God designed them to be? NO!
Thoughts?

Answer 1

God did not create them that way. It would be best to go to the Bible for reference on how God feels about this. Genesis 19 talks about Sodom and Gomorrah two cities that were destroyed because God detested what was going on there. Also reference Romans 1:27-28 which is another illustration on how God feels about this. God would not have created us with the instinct to do something that he detest. These people have been over come with a perverted spirit and need deliverance.

Answer 2

Good points that disclose a blatant non-sequitor fallacy that is common among pro-gay advocates.

However, I believe that your point is purely hypothetical in nature. It appears to me that all sinful expressions of human behavior do have an influential biological, psychological and social component and cause, and not one to the exclusion of the others. Of course, the efficient cause is the human agent's choice. I don't know of any sinful expression that we have found to be exclusively genetic as the influential cause, let alone the efficient cause.

Now, medical disorders and diseases, these are a different matter altogether. These are not sinful expressions, but resultative in nature from our inherited human sinful condition. This is one of the major differences between "sin" or "sins", the active rebellion, with a lower case "s", and "Sin" or "of Sin", the condition, with a capital "S".

To me, this is just corroboratory evidence that the Lord will not call anyone to personal account regarding the latter, only the former. It also indicates to me that the God of the Bible is the God of creation, and therefore also the author of the discipline of scientific inquiry to what He has made. John Calvin and Isaac Newton repeatedly emphasized this observation in their writings.

As a side point, say if those who identify as gay or lesbian did actually experience their sexual inclinations exclusively due to constitutional factors, such as genes (which are discounted anyway by scientific research studies, see reference #1), then they could justifiably claim to minority status, as if they were a third sex or gender. If it is constitutional, then it is also immutable. However, science also tells us that human sexuality is in fact fluid, not static, and that sexual orientation has the definite trend towards heterosexuality as one matures (see reference #2). This is exactly the reason why they should'nt be granted this minority status for reasons of special rights and privileges.

Answer 3

It is interesting that they make that claim - the claim that they are made that way. This is a claim of divine approval and sanction for the state of homosexuality. It absolves them for any responsibility for their actions. So could it be that they try to eliminate the possibility that it could be a matter of personal choice because they don't feel entirely comfortable with the idea. And why should that be?

Answer 4

About homosexuality, it is a choice. But we get help. Call him what ever you want the devil satan what ever. He likes to give us supconcious suggestion. Saddly many of us misunderstand it as our own thoughts and feelings, and we think these feelings are right. Every one gets them, but it is up to ourselves to fight them. Many of us can do this, but many are very easily seseptable to them. Those who give into them pay a high price in the spiritual world. As birth defects go, God chalenges us every day in every way, becouse God needs to know that we can handle ourselves in the afterlife. What i'm trying to say is all the experience you get here on earth gives us perspective for the next life. Some of us are born time and time again so that we get many different experiences to prepare us.

Answer 5

I'll never understand the preoccupation with gay people. Well, except bi girls and lesbians. In my personal opinion, the higher the girl-to-guy ratio in pretty much any situation, the better.

But why a supposedly straight man would devote this kind of energy into thinking about gay people is beyond me.

I think the question you should be asking yourself, is why you care so much whether homosexuality is right or wrong, or care so much about homosexuality at all.

Answer 6

It is interesting to me, that so many people have so much to say about what goes on between two consenting adults!
I sincerely doubt, that all of you heterosexuals would condone or permit someone to tell you what is permissible between a consenting man and a consenting woman!
What your religious beliefs might be totally different from mine! So why do you push your beliefs off on me?
Just because you believe Homosexuality is wrong, that does not make it so!
I have said it before, and I'll say it again for all of you slow ones! This is NOT a chosen Lifestyle!
And as for pedophiles! That one is Heterosexuals, nor Gays!
And as for beastiality, well you got me on that one, I don't know of anyone who does that! That's perverted!

Answer 7

when we are born our mind is like a new computer , nothing in our memory nothing on the hard drive.now we get programmed ,
by our parents, teachers pier groups,our surrounding world ,

we now develop our own tastes ,likes and dislikes.
i refuse to believe we are born vegetarians,born with phobia's, or criminal intentions.
although, there will be certain genetic influences.they will be diluted by your up bringing.
some of our likes or dislikes will be socially or legally unacceptable. this may vary geographically and politically.
like in some country's gay becomes a voting block ,in others it is still a no no.some country's except bull fighting others don't
it boils down to one question only:right or wrong......
next question ??? in who's eyes??
is it right to eat chicken ??
not if you talk to a chicken....
if your parents and theirs before where cannibals , who can blame you for eating your neighbor???
so what did we do??
we created laws ,
some religious,
some legal ones
some moral ones,
the problem presents itself ,that those laws are some times made by the wrong people for the wrong reasons.
how can it be against the law ,legal ones ,moral ones and religious ones ...for instance ..to kill................
unless your Mr .president says otherwise.????????????


what i'm saying if we dont know right from wrong,

LETS NOT JUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 8

WTF is the question in here???

Choice or created...the answers determines whether they get insurance benefits...that what all this boils down to...if it is a choice then the DSM never should have been changed to have homosexuality removed as a mental disorder...if it is by creation, then it isn't a mental disorder and they can justify attacking the insurance industry for benefit discrimination...

Answer 9

I agree with you.We are born either male or female.We are all born sinners.However we are nor born bankrobbers,murderers or homosexuals.These things people learn or become.

Answer 10

Were you asking a question? Oh preachin!