Baseball..if the starting pitcher leaves in the 8th losing 2-0, then his relief gives up 2 more to make it?

Question

4-0, but his team rallies for 3, but fall short in the 9th...who gets the L? Also...if a reliever comes in a 'non-save' situation, but then allows enough runners to reach to make it a 'save' situation, then 'saves' it, does he get the save?

Answer 1

the SP loses the game because he was the pitcher when the team began losing. and Yes he gets the save

Edit: sorry misread the save part. No there has to be the tying run on deck, at bat, or on base when the pitcher enters the game.

Answer 2

#1 The starting pitcher gets the loss. The starting pitcher can only get "off the hook" for the loss if his team ties it up or takes the lead.

#2 No, a reliever cannot "create" a save for himself. It is determined by the situation when he came into the game. If he allows runners to reach base and the manager pulls him, he may have created a save situation for the next reliever. He may then be liable for a blown save (if the team ties the game) and also a loss, or a hold if the reliever following him holds the opponent off to win.

Answer 3

In the first situation, the SP still does get the loss. He was the pitcher of record at the time his team fell behind and never tied the score.

In the second, the reliever only gets a save if it is a save situation when he enters the game.

Answer 4

The sp gets the loss because he left while losing and the game was never tied and his team never took the lead.
The reliever will not get a save in that situation. In order to get a save a pitcher must come into the save situation. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp

Answer 5

The starting pitcher is the loser.
A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.

Saves are more complicated. See the link below and search for saves.
By "non-save" you must mean his team is ahead by more than 3 runs when he enters the game. If he meets the conditions below he gets the "save".

The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:
(a) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
(b) He is not the winning pitcher;
(c) He is credited with at least a third of an inning pitched; and
(d) He satisfies one of the following conditions:
(1) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning;
(2) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batters he faces); or
(3) He pitches for at least three innings.

Answer 6

The starter will still get the loss, because his team never took the lead.

Closers who enter in a non save situation, then give up runs to make it a close game still do not get the save because it was not a save situation when they entered.

Answer 7

Starting pitcher. As far as a reliver coming into a non-save situation, he cannot pitch himself into a save. See the MLB rule book for a better explaination.

Answer 8

A pitcher cannot pich himself into a save opporunity or todd jones would have about 40 saves this year in that situation the starting pitcher gets the loss the trailing team either has to tie it or take the lead in order to take their pitcher off of the hook

Answer 9

No, the starting pitcher gets the L because he gives up the winning run. The relief pitcher is just credited with an appearance

Answer 10

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