Christians - Did you know this tiny code is literally toppling evolution?

Question

...sending it back to the "stone ages"?

What has been found has profound implications regarding Darwinian evolution, the theory taught in schools all over the world that all living beings have evolved by natural processes through mutation and natural selection.

Evolution has had its run for almost 150 years in the schools and universities and in the press. But now, with the discovery of what the DNA code is all about, the complexity of the cell, and the fact that information is something vastly different from matter and energy, evolution can no longer dodge the ultimate outcome. The evidence certainly points to a resounding checkmate for evolution
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Did you know that as scientists began to decode the human DNA molecule, they found something quite unexpected—an exquisite 'language' composed of some 3 billion genetic letters. "One of the most extraordinary discoveries of the twentieth century," says Dr. Stephen Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Wash., "was that DNA actually stores information—the detailed instructions for assembling proteins—in the form of a four-character digital code"?

Miranda, What it prooves..is that, GOD IS IN CONTROL.

Abba, That's right, and It takes a mighty God to do wonders like this:
The amount of information in human DNA is roughly equivalent to 12 sets of The Encyclopaedia Britannica—an incredible 384 volumes" worth of detailed information that would fill 48 feet of library shelves!
A mighty God we serve!

Mike,
In their actual size—which is only two millionths of a millimeter thick—a teaspoon of DNA, according to molecular biologist Michael Denton, could contain all the information needed to build the proteins for all the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth, and "there would still be enough room left for all the information in every book ever written" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1996, p. 334).
How's that?
I think they're skeered.

Rob, WHo, BUT God, could miniaturize such information and place this enormous number of 'letters' in their proper sequence as a genetic instruction manual? Could evolution have gradually come up with a system like this? mmmmm?

Answer 1

Wow... Thanks... I knew God was clever...

Answer 2

Claim CB180:

The genetic code is a language in the normal sense of the term, since it assigns meaning to arbitrary symbols. Language is obviously a non-material category of reality; the symbolic information is distinct from matter and energy. Therefore, life is a manifestation of non-material reality.
Source:

Baumgardner, John, 1995. Six problems with evolution: a response to Graham Mark. The Los Alamos Monitor, 31 Mar. http://globalflood.org/letters/baumgardner310395.html
Baumgardner, John, 2001. Highlights of the Los Alamos origins debate. http://globalflood.org/papers/insixdays.html
Response:

The genetic code is not a true code; it is more of a cypher. DNA is a sequence of four different bases (denoted A, C, G, and T) along a backbone. When DNA gets translated to protein, triplets of bases (codons) get converted sequentially to the amino acids that make up the protein, with some codons acting as a "stop" marker. The mapping from codon to amino acid is arbitrary (not completely arbitrary, but close enough for purposes of argument). However, that one mapping step -- from 64 possible codons to 20 amino acids and a stop signal -- is the only arbitrariness in the genetic code. The protein itself is a physical object whose function is determined by its physical properties.

Furthermore, DNA gets used for more than making proteins. Much DNA is transcribed directly to functional RNA. Other DNA acts to regulate genetic processes. The physical properties of the DNA and RNA, not any arbitrary meanings, determine how they act.

An essential property of language is that any word can refer to any object. That is not true in genetics. The genetic code which maps codons to proteins could be changed, but doing so would change the meaning of all sequences that code for proteins, and it could not create arbitrary new meanings for all DNA sequences. Genetics is not true language.

The word frequencies of all natural languages follow a power law (Zipf's Law). DNA does not follow this pattern (Tsonis et al. 1997).

Language, although symbolic, is still material. For a word to have meaning, the link between the word and its meaning has to be recorded somewhere, usually in people's brains, books, and/or computer memories. Without this material manifestation, language cannot work.
References:

Tsonis, A. A., J. B. Elsner and P. A. Tsonis, 1997. Is DNA a language? Journal of Theoretical Biology 184: 25-29.

Answer 3

So are the fellows who just applied for a patent on a new completely engineered life form god? All they did was create a simple cell from raw chemicals and create a DNA coding for it from scratch. They made no use of anything but raw chemicals and reactions.

Does it take god to make life? Because if it does these guys need to be worshipped. Get on your knees in front of them right now and worship! Or is it that just maybe, science is advancing that fast. No it can't advance that fast could it? Computers like the one you are on was a just a simple dream/miracle/fiction, only 40 years ago. Or are you telling me god created your IBM, or Dell or whatever you use?

Oh, crap, what about cloning, or monoclonal antibodies, or even the whole new class of biologic medicines? Did god create those processes and drop them in a university research lab somewhere?

Please forgive me, I keep forgetting things, like the fact that the key to developing gene therapy was handed to 20th century scientists by an angel of god.


Dude you need a clue. DNA, RNA, RNA transcriptase, codons and other processes are confirming evolution.

Yes, I believe in God, and that by no means rules out evolution. My God is just not some mystical conjurer who lives in the skies above the flat earth, around which our sun revolves. You know all those previous, "facts" that confirmed God was what people wanted him to be.

ADD ON

Silly me forgot to ask how much data can be put onto the amount of microchips that could fit into your teaspoon? 2 gig maybe 4 or 8? Can't remember how much is on my flash memory in my camera. How many books would that be?

Answer 4

I agree with everyone who said this does not disprove evolution. However, I have a question for the athiests (I'm assuming) that responded.

1. Why do you think the theory of evolution conflicts with thiesm and/or christianity when this is simply not the case for most religious people? Note also: I'm not christian.

2. Why do you get so pissy about the above or similiar postings?

3. Why do you assume thiesm is merely a "god did it" response? Many christians/thiests view science as a way to see into the mind of god and aren't simply ignorant of scientific theories as you seem to believe (well some are most aren't).

Answer 5

First off, this does not "disprove" evolution in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, even if this evidence of a creator (which it isn't), what makes you think it's the Christian god? Hmm? Maybe it was Odin. Or Zeus. Or Amaterasu. Or whichever Hindu god created life.

Edit: "Rob, WHo, BUT God, could miniaturize such information and place this enormous number of 'letters' in their proper sequence as a genetic instruction manual? Could evolution have gradually come up with a system like this? mmmmm?"

Did you not read my message? How about Odin? Zeus? Amaterasu? Etc.?

YUO = PWNED

Answer 6

That’s garbage. Evolution is an observed, replicated, verified, established empirical and scientific fact. There is an abundance of evidence from multiple sources that apply consistently and predictably worldwide. There is no contradictory evidence – every argument raised against it has been demonstrably shown to be wrong or deliberate deception and intentionally dishonest.

Your 'evidence' is classic Creationist slight-of-hand and misdirection to avoid direct scientific debate where it has (and will) always been soundly defeated and rejected. Claims to the contrary are, again, either the result of honest ignorance or are intentional lies spread in support of a non-scientific ideological belief system.

More than just fact, the theory of evolution is the most powerful general explanatory model in all of science. Without it, every life science collapses and all biological knowledge is false.

This includes medical science which, if evolution were false, would be no more than voodoo and the mystical mumbo-jumbo practiced by Witch Doctors. Creationists, as well as everyone, who submits to the care of a modern physician are placing their health and lives in the hands of Practitioners of Evolutionary Theory.

Answer 7

{xeRn+1| d(x,0) = 1}

>...^+86r = [h 13c | ix]

They will arrive at a universe which is completely understood but forever beyond imagination.

Answer 8

DNA is toppling evolution? i have just recently started actually studying both through University lectures and I have no idea wht you are talking about and neither do you. More creationist grasping at straws.

Answer 9

Four-character digital code?

God is teh haxxorz!!

Seriously, I don't see how this disproves anything.

Answer 10

How does this disprove evolution? Science doesn't claim to explain everything. But it certainly explains more than your silly "God did it."

Can't you be more specific?

Edit: I can't believe three people actually prefer "God did it."
(see three thumbs down)

Answer 11

ALRIGHT!! VINDICATED!!! Knew it was God all along! Go...

Wait a minute...

Does that spell GATTACA?