If so, then is Judas Iscariot actually the only person who listened to Jesus, other disciples denied him etc. Did Jesus not say that he would be betrayed, therefore Judas did what he was told right?
2007-07-13 11:27:29 · 17 answers · asked by ? 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Yes and Yes
Jesus had to die in order for us to be saved.
Judas was the only person who did listen to Jesus...He knew all the time...the Gospel of Judas, you have to read this...It showed what a great person Judas actually was.
2007-07-13 11:36:32 · answer #1 · answered by Kerilyn 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
That is a bit confusing isn't it?
Jesus needed Judas to turn him in so he could go be a sacrifice. Yet Judas was damned because of it.
The other question this brings up is - why would the Pharisees need Jesus pointed out in the first place? They had been talking to him earlier, and watched him clean out the temple. So, why did Judas have to go kiss him? Is this just for more drama? Surely the Pharisees could have tracked him down. They were the leaders and the most learned men of their day.
Peter did deny Jesus, three times as perdicted. The other apostles ran away out of fear, except in the gospel of John were John stayed in the end. Yet all of these men were forgiven, but Judas who was essentially set up to do G-d's plan wasn't.
Some claim that Judas was never going to be saved, his heart was already permenantly hardened to G-d. So, knowing this, G-d used a person already lost in order to launch his plan.
Rather sad that G-d knew Judas was beyond all saving prior to creating him if we believe Christians. That Jesus was in the works since creation.
2007-07-13 11:45:45 · answer #2 · answered by noncrazed 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Yes. Jesus goaded Judas into handing him over because he wanted to be executed so he could fulfil the messiah prophecy.
There is a line in "The Life of Brian" when John Cleese says "He is the messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few!" - it was common at the time for preachers to build up a band of merry men and either personally claim to be the messiah, or be hailed as the messiah by his followers.
Jesus would most likely have been ignored by the state, along with all the other messiahs, but his "king of the Jews" tag was a direct challenge to Herod, the official puppet king supported by the Roman occupiers.
So, if Jesus existed at all, he died because he engineered his own downfall, and Judas merely complied with his wishes.
2007-07-13 11:39:47 · answer #3 · answered by undercover elephant 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus ordered Judas to do as he must, therefore Judas did as he was told, he did not betray Jesus.
Peter betrayed Jesus by falling asleep and cutting off the guards ear.
2007-07-13 13:34:49 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
It seems strange that Judas should betray Jesus for a few pieces of silver. Maybe he was given instructions from God or Jesus, so that the process would begin for the ultimate sacrifice at the hands of men, which Jesus knew was inevitable.
2007-07-13 12:04:32 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
From different bills of the Jesus tale, Jesus asked Judas to betray him and generic Judas extra advantageous than his different disciples. for this reason, Judas became into merely following Jesus's orders and could be celebrated as a hero.
2016-10-01 13:31:28 · answer #6 · answered by ansell 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Precisely. Judas did exactly what he had to according to plan. There was no free will involved: God/Jesus/whatever supposedly had a plan that included getting turned over to the Romans for execution. Judas, by doing so, obeyed the will of his god. Without him doing what he had done, there would have been no crucifiction, and Jesus might have died later of a knife in the back or even old age...and what fun would that be?
And yet, according to many Christians, he is getting a bad rap for eternity.
Don't try to apply logic to the tale. It would be like trying to use real-world physics to understand the "Transformers".
2007-07-13 11:33:57 · answer #7 · answered by Scott M 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
In the Gospel of Judas, it is told from his point of view, and it is written in that book that Jesus told him to do as he did. That would explain why Jesus knew who would betray him back at the passover.
2007-07-13 11:32:49 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
Judas had free will. Jesus said that he chose his deciples, even though one is a devil. So he knew that Judas would do what he did, but Judas wasnt forced to do it.
2007-07-13 11:32:49 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Google the lost gospel of Judas, it's been authenticated and put back together
2007-07-13 11:36:09 · answer #10 · answered by ALLEN B 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋