Do you still doubt evolution is real??

Question

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/oukoe_uk_butterflies;_ylt=AlU475mvYAgpfcMCKHgY9Xthr7sF

Great article about how butterflys in Samoa have, within 7 years, come back from the brink of extinction due to a parasitic virus that was killing them. They EVOLVED a genetic mutation that allowed them to fight off the virus!!

Also, for those who say that humans have never OBSERVED evolution occur and one species form into another: Please go read about "goatsbeard", a rare flower that, 100 years ago, was introduced to America. It could cross breed with other flowers, however, its offspring was sterile, much like the offspring between horses and mules are... Well, after 100 years, these offspring began to be able to reproduce on their own, creating two entirely new species of goatsbeard.


But evolution isnt real, right?

snypr - did you read the article? The virus was killing them off, because they had no natural immunity to it. They EVOLVED an immunity. PAY ATTENTION!!!!!

OK Rob, its adaptation. What about Goatsbeard creating two new species? You gonna call that adaptation as well?

Answer 1

People who don't believe in evolution are idiots. I wish there was a more polite way to put it, but they are simply IDiots.

Answer 2

Wolbachia is a bacterium not a virus, they are actually a bacteria which very commonly infects insects and it gets transmitted via the eggs, therefore gets inherited as an infection. They could play an interesting role in reproductive isolation which could lead to speciation. Even if you are for evolution you are supposed to get your facts straight. Yes, of course evolution happens.

Answer 3

Are you discussing the theory of evolution in reference to the beginning of life or the fact that things adapt? Two very different concepts often confused to be the same. The fact that you can prove things adapt does not prove that is how life started. In fact all of the theories about how life began are just that, theories. And until time travel can be invented none of them can be proven correct, and I doubt any of them can be proven wrong either.

In fact the definitions of evolution from several science dictionaries, don't even mention the beginning of life, nor is it mentioned in many of the related definitions.

Anyone can see evolution occurs. We have been observing it for years. Anyone who doubts that things adapt over time, is not very open minded.

So do I doubt evolution? No, I don't.

Do I think we evolved from primordial ooze? No, I don't.
But I can't convince you to believe in intelligent design either. Even reknowned scientists in this very field of expertise are constantly trying to find the proof for their theory. They have been for years and probably will likely be doing the same thing for years to come.

Answer 4

Sure, evolution happens to an extent. The evidence is clear.

As far as I understand it, the real issue which is most widely debated is did humans evolve from primitive worms - because that's where the questions of a "soul" come into things. Yes, of course mutations happen, animals evolve. But can beings as complex as humans have come from something as basic as amoebas? How long must that have taken??

That's the issue I'm not 100% clear on. They might have done...but I don't think that article proves the theory of human evolution is 100% unquestionable.

Answer 5

I think the fundie argument is change within a species is ok but it can't result in a new species.

It's right after the bit that no mutation is ever beneficial to a species

makes you wonder how democracy works really.....

Answer 6

I never have belived in evolution. And in away I still dont. But george w bush is living proof that at least SOMBODY evolved from either an ape or a jackass

Answer 7

Holy Crap, Rob just earned the award for Most Ignorant Answer of the Year! His complete lack of understanding of thermodynamics, evolution, and science in general is unequaled in the Y!A community.

Answer 8

Actually, it was because they lost genetic info, that they can survive the virus. Nothing evolved.

Some people don't get it.
You see, the evidence for Creation and Evolution is all the same. It's how you interpret the evidence.

Answer 9

In addition the two fundamental quantities of matter and energy referred to in the first law need information for something to be created. This is why the atheist's "Big Bang" cannot have resulted in the universe that we see today. That information is God.

The law of cause and effect says that every effect must have a cause and that the effect cannot be greater in size or in kind than the cause. "Every effect", that includes the universe coming into being. It is an effect which must have had a cause. In other words the universe cannot be greater than it's First Cause (God). Therefore according to the law of cause and effect the universe must have had a First Cause as it could not create itself - agreed? (No exceptions to this have ever been observed).

~enlightened.org.uk
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THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS.

(These are the laws that govern the relationship between heat and work)

First Law: "MATTER AND ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED." (There is no gain or loss of energy when it is converted from one kind to another, for example from electricity into light or heat.)

According to this law there is nothing within the universe capable of bringing it into being. It must have been created by Something outside of the universe - agreed? It does not matter how long you say the universe has existed.

Second Law: "THINGS MOVE IN A DIRECTION FROM ORDER TO CHAOS." (Whilst remaining constant in quantity, energy moves to a lower potential and therefore is less available to do the work.)

If what the evolutionists say is true, that the universe has always existed then according to this second law it would be a mass of disorder. There would be no energy left. It would be like the Dodo - dead. Therefore, as it clearly is not, it cannot be infinitely old but must have had a beginning and quite recently - agreed?

Some time ago I watched a young student as she listened to an unbeliever's explanation of "scientific" evolution. I could see her getting more frustrated as this man expounded his logic until she finally burst out; "But things get worse when left alone, not better." You see it's illogical as well as unscientific. You have to maintain your garden, clean the house, tidy your child's bedroom. However, evolutionists claim there was an explosion billions of years ago (chaos) which resulted in our ordered universe (order).

Third Law: "THINGS ARE AT A MAXIMUM AT ABSOLUTE ZERO."[3] (If you raise the temperature you are adding energy and it will reduce order.)

If you have an open system and add raw energy to it, it will not give you increased order, will it? God told Noah to build an ark (Genesis chapter 6). How do you think he went about it? Did he just add raw energy and hope for the best? Did he pick up lots of pieces of wood and throw them in the general direction of where he wanted to build the ark? Of course not, we both know he would just have ended up with a pile of wood. God gave him a plan to work to and he built a huge ship the size of our modern oil tankers of today. (This will be covered in the next section.) He did not use raw, uncontrolled energy - he had the addition of information, a plan.

Likewise there's no order in this "Primeval Soup" or the "Big Bang". It's scientific nonsense to expect such a thing to produce life! Charles Darwin said sunlight and electric discharges would produce a living cell - what fantasy! Energy and chance will not increase order.
~enlightened.org.uk

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Because the majority of the people believe something at any one time does not make it truth. The Bible said in the 8th century BC that the earth was a globe (Isaiah 40:22). In 2000 BC it also says the earth is hanging on nothing (Job 26:6). Yet the vast majority of the people said the earth was flat - they were wrong. In the last century most doctors believed bleeding a patient was a universal cure for sickness, in spite of the Bible saying that life is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11) - they were wrong. Today the majority of the people believe in evolution in spite of what the Bible says - they are wrong.
~enlightened.org.uk

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The case of the butterflies is not evolution, but ADAPTATION. There is a difference. Please read through the titled articles on this webpage to view a stronger arguement towards your theories. Please, I am asking you of this small task with great appreciation of your words; I care for you and all beings. I only want for you to try to see things from a different perspective for a little while when you read this:
http://enlightened.org.uk/evolution.html

Answer 10

I'll believe as soon as they start finding transitional fossils.

Do you believe in a "fossil gap"? I certainly do.