It's so sad when Americans don't know their own history especially some fundies around here?

Question

The founding fathers where againts having one religeon over all

The Treaty of Tripoli (the Treaty of Peace and Friendship) November 4, 1796
Article 11, reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

Pledge of allegiance September 7, 1892
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,
MODIFIED AND CAMPAIGNED BY The Knights of Columbus in New York City(Catholic organization) to include the words "under God" finally Charles Oakman (R-Mich.), introduced a bill to that effect February 8, 1954, Rep

"In God We Trust" is the current national motto of the United States and also the motto for the state of Florida. It was declared as such by an act of Congress in 1956
Placed on United States dollar bill in 1957
So the notion that of America being a Christin nation founded under Christian law is totally false

so if you want to pray at school do it during breaks but keep you're bible out of the public school system and where it belongs in you're church or you're house
and it wouldn't hurt if you would put that pathetic excuse for moral guidelines down and picked up a history book or a biology book or a chemistry book unless you think that learning is the Devil's tool

do you have any sources for this in the constitution maybe wikipedia any will do

Jefferson supported the separation of church and state and was the author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779, 1786). He was the eponym of Jeffersonian democracy and the founder and leader of the Democratic-Republican Party

Answer 1

Thomas Jefferson would crap himself if he saw the shenanigans fundies were up to these days.

Answer 2

I agree totally that people need to realize that the founding fathers wanted us to have the freedom to worship the Creator haowever we saw fit. Not Christian only and ina certain denomination. Some of our founding fathers were Deist... not Christian.

As for the public school comment, i think that by not allowing our kids to express their religious attachment in a casual way at school, we are stripping them of identity and this is why our middle schoolers dress like hookers and our highschoolers are generally illiterate. They have to cling to other things such as sex, drugs, eating disorders, and then when they do run into someone who is religious or different from them, they freak out and have no clue how to handle themselves... they feel threatened and claim that someone is stepping on their rights. By stripping our kids of their belief systems and throwing them all together... it is a discervice.
I think they should be allowed to pray, to meet after school for diferent groups, to bring and read their bibles, to even share among eachother. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE SCHOOL SHOULD OR GOVERNMENT SHOULD DICTATE ANY OF THIS. Teachers can not share... unless they are petitioned by the perents of students to facilitate a group, and all students should have written, signed permission for participating in any afterschool group.

I know that people think things would get worse, but i think things would be better. Kids would be better socialized to other ways, more accepting, bullying would go down some, and fighting would still be punishable by dismissal.
I think things would be better.

Answer 3

I am continually amazed, as a non-American, at the appalling lack of knowledge many Americans have of their own country. Then the fundamentalists just compound the problem by adding delusion to ignorance.

When one attempts to rationally discuss anything with a fundamentalist christian, one is minded of the old adage, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Excepting, of course, that many prostitutes I know are better read and have more wisdom than any fundamentalist christian I have met.

Answer 4

I find it so unbelievable when I hear people refer to America as a "Christian Nation" and say that this country was "founded on Christianity". For one it makes the person sound incredibly ignorant for this is a secular nation that was founded as such. *Rolls eyes*

Answer 5

As an American, I do know my founding fathers beliefs, Yes it is true that they did not restrict Christians to only one faith, Now you try so hard to give certain quotes from some founding fathers, But why not talk about how Geroge Washington Prayed to God & tell the people about George Washington Visions God gave him & how Abraham Lincoln prayed to God, Why not bring in both aspect of how America was founded, You only like to use the ones that condems religion. So you see, I do know what our founding fathers believed, & I can use them all, & not just one or 2 that you try to use. Sorry you lose again. Hey, I have George Washington visions right here in my house,

Answer 6

I see that you know some history. That is very good. Most people do not like to do any research. Some times even after doing research people will not believe the answers.

Answer 7

So very true.
The US was founded to get AWAY from religious intolerance. Yet here we are, in a age where gene splicing is commonplace, we have brain dead morons trying to convince idiots that "intelligent design" is anything more than mythology.
It's sad when you think about it.

Answer 8

Thomas Jefferson molested slaves.

Answer 9

Lol@ Balaam's talking donkey.

Answer 10

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.

The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.

Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.
John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.

This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:
"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".

In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'

It should be noted here that even as late as 1958 a dissenting judge warned in Baer v. Kolmorgen that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of Church and State", people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution.

It has been demonstrated in their own words: Ben Franklin, George Washington and John Adams, to the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court, how our founding fathers felt about the mix of politics and religion.

When we read articles such as "What's God got to do with it?" (Primack, 5/4) and "The wall between state and church must not be breached" (Tager, 5/7) it just reaffirms how little, even intelligent people, understand about the founding of our great Republic. To say that this nation was not founded as a Christian nation or that the Constitution was not founded on Christian principles is totally at odds with the facts of history.