Again for Baptist, where does it say that baptism is not for salvation?

Question

Hate to put you on the spot but just wanted to know if you get baptized, and if so, then why do it, if it has no meaning in your church, had a disscusion about it today with a baptist, just wanted to get more insight as to why you think that, when Jesus commands it! thanks for your answers!

Answer 1

Baptism is the outward sign of the inward repentance. The salvation happens first and then baptism happens afterward. Jesus commands it but take note of the order in which it is done. He tells his disciples to go into all the world and make disciples then baptizing them . Some sects believe that without baptism there is no salvation but if that were the case then the thief on the cross would not be saved even after Jesus said he was. Hebrews 6 talks about the "elementary things of God being repentance, faith. then baptism and laying on of hands. The order is the same thoughout the new testament. There was baptism of John the Baptist and even before him. This baptism was not salvation even though the people who were baptized eventually followed Jesus. It was a symbol of repentance and following the laws of God. Hope this helps.

Answer 2

Because the Bible says in Ephesians 2:8 "By grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."
Baptism is a work done by man, and is merely a symbol.
No ritual performed by man can save anyone.
But as far as getting baptized and why, I think you should, because it is a symbol that is supposed to publicly identify yourself with Christ.
As far as where Jesus says that, I'm not entirely sure of the references.
The easiest thing I could tell you to do offhand is to read a Bible with a concordance and look up the references regarding Baptism.
Thanks for posting this question, it's nice to see someone in this section with a legitimate question.

Answer 3

"Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet 3:21)

Answer 4

I am not a member of the Baptist denomination(s), but I would be happy to offer an answer to your question.

I have been baptized, and I believe it was at that point I became a Christian, saved!

The blood of Christ washes away sin. (Revelation 1:5)

This blood was shed and offered for our sins when Christ died upon the Cross. It is through this blood that we can be saved. (Romans 5:8-10)

In your Bible, probably on the same page, it tells you how to contact this saving blood. We cannot wash in the blood if we do not contact it!

Since the blood was shed at Christ's death, we must contact His death to contact the blood. Romans 6:3-5 tells us at baptism we are "baptized into His death"! (See Colossians 2:12 also.) That is when we contact the blood.

Romans 6 also teaches that we are "baptized into Christ". We cannot be saved outside of Christ!

Romans 6:4 continues to teach that at baptism, we "rise to walk in newness of life"! At a birth there is new life. We cannot be saved if we are not "born again" into this new life in Christ!

That is why Saul (Paul) was told to "be baptized and wash away your sins"! (Acts 22:16) We cannot be saved if our sins remain!

Jesus said, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved". (Mark 16:16)

Some say that you believe, are saved, and then you shall be baptized. This is not the same thing Jesus said. It is not in the same order!

What would Jesus have said if He had meant, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"?

I believe He said what he meant and meant what he said! I believe Jesus! "He that believes not shall be condemned!" (Mark 16:16)

Jesus commanded baptism! "And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him!" (Hebrews 5:9) We cannot be saved if we do not submit to the authority of Christ in obedience!

Peter said, "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you -- not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience -- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 3:21)

What would Peter have said if he had meant "baptism now saves you"?

Baptism is "for the remission of sins", "unto the remission of sins", or "so that your sins will be forgiven"! (Acts 2:38, depending on which version you read)

Baptism; along with faith, confession, and repentance; is part of the plan of salvation that God established for us to follow!

Every example of conversion in the book of Acts specifically mentions baptism! Every one of these converts were baptized immediately. None of these converts either ate, drank, slept or continued a journey until they were baptized!

Not every example of a conversion specifically mentions confession, repentance, mercy, love, the blood of Christ, or grace. These are all necessary for salvation and they can be inferred, but they are not specifically mentioned every time, but Baptism is!

After Jesus commanded baptism, where is your biblical example of someone being saved without baptism? What does the Bible say?

There is no power in the water! The power is in Christ and obeying him -- doing what he said to do to contact his death and saving blood! This is not a work of our own design, but it is following the commandment of Christ!

Jesus is "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9)

We will be judged based on what they we able to do now, how we use that opportunity, and all of the opportunities we have passed up or taken advantage of in our life!

There is the opportunity to be baptized today!

If we are not baptized for the remission of our sins immediately, then it is only because we refuse to do so! If we do not obey Christ, it is because we simply don't want to do so.

Can you expect to be saved while you refuse to obey Christ? Is Jesus "Lord of your life" if you will not do as He instructs without delay? Please open your Bible and read Hebrews 5:9 for the answer!

Jesus said, ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."