Think about it. Why would god want a part of himself to experience pain & death so mankind could go to heaven?
Except that being god he already knew since before creation who would and who wouldn't go to heaven.
2007-07-12 08:27:03 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The Christians have created a sadist.
2007-07-12 08:29:44 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 3⤋
Not *payment*, but rather *punishment*. It's the carrot and the stick. I *like* carrots.
"Why would god want a part of himself to experience pain & death so mankind could go to heaven?" I'm guessing that you're some kind of new-ager or a gnostic. Am I right? Most Christian sects do not consider people in general as "part of God".
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2007-07-12 08:34:21 · answer #2 · answered by JimPettis 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If he was really all powerful and called all the shots, he wouldn't need a blood sacrifice. The idea of blood and death fixing the problem of sin is like having two wrongs make a right. God thinks it's wrong for people to sin, so he has to kill himself. Why not say, "I don't need a blood sacrifice. I made these defective people so it's not a big deal that they don't obey my every whim"?
2007-07-12 08:39:33 · answer #3 · answered by Graciela, RIRS 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Death is the natural path of life. Everything dies and transforms in something else. Same for pain. It's just part of life. If we wouldn't experience pain then we wouldn't experience happiness either. I mean...what a pain would it be to be always happy?! We'll pay for our sins at the time of our death. But at that point, if we sincerely feel remorse for our sins,God will welcome us in his open arms.
2007-07-12 08:40:27 · answer #4 · answered by tizym 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If you're talking about Jesus's Crusifixion, there is a lot of misunderstanding about exactly what was happening there. The fact of the matter is that I doubt that anyone that either one of us knows knows what they mean when they say that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Now, I think that I know, but it's just a theory. I don't have as much confidence in this theory as I do many of my other theories.
I don't really want to talk about this theory yet. Not until I gain more confidence in it.
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2007-07-12 08:36:28 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus death did not repay the satisfaction owed for our own personal sins. And because of His death it did not forgive us our personal sins. Those who believe such follow a man made doctrine (belief). We are responsible for our own sins and repenting for those sins. And as sinners we owe God a debt of satisfaction to be repaid when ever we violate any of His Laws. The Israelites would go before the High Priest confess their sins to him and he would prescribe the necessary sin offering to be made for their sins. In most cases this sin offering would be a male goat, female lamb, or turtle dove (for the poor). These offerings were not made to forgive sins but repay the debt of satisfaction owed to God for having violated His Law. In Jesus' case He is the Pascal Lamb, His sacrifice was made for the consequence of the sin of Adam (original sin). The consequence was separation from God in the afterlife (second death). The righteous (saints) and those who were purified (elect) and made righteous (saints) had only the grey existence of the paradise in the Bosom of Abraham in Sheol were they waited until the Last Judgment. This was not their fault, but they to had been born into this world with the stain of original sin that separated them from God. Jesus repaid that debt of satisfaction which was owed for them. So Jesus opened Heaven for the past, present, and future generations.
2016-05-20 23:00:44 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Excellent point and one of the reasons I left that crap. Why would a supreme being feel that something has to die (supposedly part of him no less) to cleanse a "sin" of another being? How does death fix things in his mind?
2007-07-12 08:42:03 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The wages of sin is death.
Jesus paid the ultimate price to save us from eternal damnation.
He died a brutal inhumane death, think about it.
God is a holy God and our righteousness is like filthy rags. We can't and don't measure up.
Jesus was without sin and yet died for us.
2007-07-12 08:37:17 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
This isn't just one question.
Pain and death are a result of the human condition, and a part of each persons life.
God died on the cross so that any could receive salvation (this is what you're asking about?). That is "redemption," which no sinful or unclean person (anyone else) can actually use.
2007-07-12 08:32:29 · answer #9 · answered by BigPappa 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
As the punishment for sins, death is the only just way God deals with the sin of humankind. But the only way that a holy and just could have mercy on the humans in his holiness and keep true with his perfect justice, Jesus had to pay the price of death for all of us
2007-07-12 08:32:33 · answer #10 · answered by messenjah82 2 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Why would God create imperfect beings merely to punish them for their imperfections?
"Free Will" is a childish copout. Christians HAVE to insist that man has free will, because otherwise God apparently makes mistakes. And yet, if man has free will, then there are evidently some things of which the "omnipotent, omniscient" God is ignorant of and powerless to change.
But try explaining any of this to simpletons whose concept of "God" is basically that of a human father on a cosmic scale.
By the way, I'm really liking Graciela's answer.
2007-07-12 08:31:19 · answer #11 · answered by jonjon418 6 · 3⤊ 3⤋