Seems calvinistic to say you can tell a persons predestination by their actions or disposition doesn't it? What about mortal sin? Can you honestly say that Judas never accepted the Lord?
2007-07-12 05:52:38 · 16 answers · asked by hossteacher 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Yes Judas never believed that Jesus was who He had told them He is. He was looking for a political savior that would break the hold of Rome on Judea. Not for a spiritual savior who would take away our sin... Jim
2007-07-12 06:41:40 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
The issue with is not whether Judas had accepted the Lord. It had to do with whether God had chosen Judas, or whether Judas was simply left in his sins, to become the seed that grew for a little while, but withered away and perished -- thus fulfilling God's degree from before the foundations of the world. His betrayal did not happen by accident. And this fulfills the predestination verses, it does not deny them.
2007-07-13 00:28:14 · answer #2 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Judas loved the Lord. But Judas had another love, the love of money. He was duped into betraying Jesus, but betray Him he did. His actions speak volumes about what he truly worshipped. Since the love of money is the root of all evil, then with certainty, we can say that Judas loved money more than he loved Jesus. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me..." makes it clear that Judas was an idolator.
Like many Christians, our love for Jesus is not in question.
Our hatred towards sin is in question.
2007-07-12 13:01:06 · answer #3 · answered by Bobby Jim 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Hey Teach,
I am a Catholic - I do not believe in, and the Church doesn't teach, predestination. A persons actions, and lack of them in some cases, are what earns someone a place in heaven. God makes all of those judgments. Any earthly surveys on one's worthiness to enter heaven are worthless (if interesting). Mortal sin separates you from goodness, from grace. Without grace you are doomed.
Judas' acceptance of the Lord? I don't know - the gospels speak of his treachery, his suicide. What God decided to do about it is his guess. Again, our conjectures may be interesting but they have no weight. The lessons learned are very important.
Good question!
2007-07-12 13:03:20 · answer #4 · answered by Pete W 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes, I can say it is a possibility. Do you not think that there are people within the church who aren't believers, does not Matthew clearly state there will be tares among the wheat. Did not Jesus state you will come to me and say I drove out demons in your name and prophecied in your name, and he will say to them "I never knew you, be away from me." Historically many have believed that Judas was more interested in political over throw than spiritual growth. Hypocrites exist. People can have alterior motives, and can miss the point of something completely. The other disciples often did not even grasp the totality of what Jesus was until after they saw him risen, why else would they be discouraged?
2007-07-12 13:08:23 · answer #5 · answered by travis w 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved is false. Philippians 2:12 states that we need to work towards our salvation with fear and trembling. Mark 13:13 tells us that we need to endure to the end. James 2:24 tells us that we are justified by our works and not by faith alone. Judas probably accepted the Lord but he sinned, whether or not he is saved is up to God. If we deny God whole heartedly, even though we were saved in the past, our final place is in question. Ultimately, the decision is up to the person and to God.
Peace be with you.
2007-07-12 13:04:32 · answer #6 · answered by Void Engineer 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Salvation could not occur until Jesus died. Since Judas was dead by then, he couldn't have been saved, no one could. Until Jesus died, the Old testament rules applied. I am sorry if this bursts people's bubble, but this question has been asked several times on here. Judas is in Hell because of his betrayal. You can't have what wasn't there. Thanks for the question and have a great day.
2007-07-12 13:05:09 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
If once saved always saved, then Judas was never saved to begin with. In fact, the bible says that Judas kept the treasury of the disciples and was more interested in the money than in charity.
2007-07-12 12:56:59 · answer #8 · answered by sdb deacon 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
The Gospels talk about people that claim to follow Jesus but don't do it from the heart. Judas is one of those examples. There was evidence earlier that he wasn't a believer as well (he stole from the money box).
2007-07-12 12:58:44 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
When Jesus was in the garden of Gathsemene, He sweat as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground in antiscipation of the death He knew He was destined to suffer and die! He still said, "Not my will but thine be done" in connection with this terrible destiny. Why? He came to do the will of His Father in Heaven. He also knew what death He should die and the deliverance from hell to Heaven true believers would receive as a result. In other words, it was worth it all to please the Father and to have children in Heaven some day!
In connection with eternal security for believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, read John 10:27,28.
2007-07-12 13:14:16 · answer #10 · answered by noreputation 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋