matter can not be created or destroyed therefore the big bang theory is false?

Question

"okay so SOMETHING had to cause the big bang I mean we didn't just come from nothing right? I mean everything has to of been created!"

so what created god? don't give me "god's always existed and has no creator"

I get that alot and it holds no ground with me because it contradicts your own arguement

lets think of it this way

Man creates a new sentient species. (let's call it fred so I can be lazy) From freds PoV we gave him life, so we must be all powerful and all knowing anything we say will be truth to him, for example if we say red is blue and 3 is 12 or that we are gods he has no reason to disbelieve us, we created him so naturally we know more than him

So if we created fred and freda and they think of us as gods whos to say god doesn't have a creator either just because he created us? so logicaly if he exists he had to come from somewhere or something.
either that or the arguement that we can't come from nothing and that the big bang theory is false because of this is null

wow okay I know and understand that the big bang has nothing to do with creating matter however I constantly get people asking me "how can you believe in the big bang i mean we can't come from nothing" I was trying to use their flawed logic to prove a point
(just because god says he's always existed doesn't make it so we could tell fred and freda we've always existed but it would make it true)
but evidently I failed to get that across My aplogies

Answer 1

Big Bang does not state something came from nothing. Big Bang merely states that at some point in time all matter in the universe was contained in a very small space.

Answer 2

You make an interesting point. It would be a lie to say I have an answer.
"so what created god? don't give me 'god's always existed and has no creator'"
Not looking at your idea, I believe the only other explanation is that God always existed. The Big Bang and beginning theories never add up, so therefore, something must be bigger than man's common sense. That something would be God.
However, I will congratulate you. This is an atheist theory I can't disprove. You don't rely on common sense, but rather suggest why it might be false.

Answer 3

Ah this again

The Big Bang was likely the result of the previous universe experiencing a Big Crunch.

Now the joy is where the hell did all that matter come from well one of the more prevalent theories is Baryogenesis.

Answer 4

Matter in this universe was not created out of "nothing" It was all contained in a singularity that was the result of the last universe's "Big Crunch". Anything so technologically advanced as to be unable to be explained with current science is thought of as magic, and that applies to religion, too.

Answer 5

Well, Einstein said best:

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein

As for the so-called "big bang", what does it matter? It will be a theory, always. Some things can not be proven and never will be.

And, yes, the very basic rules of science state that it takes something to make something. With nothing, only nothing can exist. As to the existence of God, again Einstein said it best:

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." --A. Einstein

Answer 6

Wrong:

Since I have taken graduate level cosmology I will tell you how mass and energy are thought to have formed because most people do not know.

As most people are aware total mass/energy are thought to be conserved.

However most people do not know Gravitational potential energy is negative.

Rapid inflation results in large amounts of both normal mass/energy and gravitational potential energy which are thought to exactly balance each other.

Most of mass/energy you observe today formed in the first few milliseconds after the big bang as a direct result of the extremely rapid inflation which produces normal energy balanced with gravitational potential energy summing up to zero.

I do not believe anything "comes from nothing" Personally I believe reality is ultimately mathematics (necessary logical truth) . It only looks like space and time because we see so little of it. Nothing is ever really created. The key here is a powerful selection effect (our existence ) which selects the portion of reality we find ourselves in. Only in very interesting portions (ones that appear as rapidly expanding space-time) of this vast infinite reality could we evolve.

Our understanding of reality is layered. You see the world in terms of large physical objects. But you are aware that those are illusions made up of atoms, and atoms in turn are made of smaller particles. Many believe that these so called "fundamental" particles are not fundamental but are built on a layer of mathematical objects called strings. My belief is that all reality including space-time itself is built upon mathematics and mathematics is what is truly fundamental.

The reason why we see top layers instead of lower layers is due to our inability to see all of the the details in the lower layers.

The reasons for my belief are way too involved to cover here so I will just post a link to something simple enough that you might understand it. I fear my actual reasons are likely to be well beyond your comprehension unless you have a very advanced gaduate physics background.


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.0646v1.pdf


As mathematics ( necessary logical truth ) is fundamental and necessary it is not created. Existence simply equals necessary truth. Mathematics "just is" because it is necessary and tautologically simple ( Zero complexity ). But Mathematics does not create reality. Mathematics is reality.

The problem with the design hypothesis is your god needs to be more complex and hence more unlikely than the reality you are attempting to explain. Saying your god just is, still leaves a much bigger question than you had to begin with.

Answer 7

* N O T H I N G * WAS CREATED - It Was *ALL* There...
The Big Bang Singularity (not to be confused with black hole singularities) contained < *ALL* the Matter/Energy > in the Universe in a very high mass / close to zero volume point. Thus it was almost infinitely dense and infinitely hot. This *was* the Universe and the Big Bang merely expanded it to its current size... it's still expanding, of course. Remember Einstein's "Equivalency Principle" E=MC2? ... This implies there was initially no true matter as there were neither atoms nor molecules at this point due to extreme heat.

As the Universe expanded and cooled... at about ~800 K Years, atoms started synthesizing to form matter and much later gravity / curved space acted upon dust and such to begin the formation of planets, stars, galaxies, etc.

Even religious organizations and sites recognise the status of BB Cosmology as 'FACT'... "After decades of struggle, other scientists came to accept the Big Bang as fact."
( http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.html )

Pls Note: Big Bang Does *NOT* Preclude The Existence of God, as a God *could* be the initiator/starter (not MY take).
[ IF YOU WANT MORE BIG BANG INFO (e.g. Background and Solid Evidence), JUST ASK and I will Gladly Comply! ]

Answer 8

The First Law sort of implies the Universe was always here don't you think? Just'cause you want to stick a god in there that doesn't give you a free pass on it.

Answer 9

From what you are saying that YOU DON"T WANT ANYONE TO SAY GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN, don't hold water with you, Friend what you are saying holds no water or anything with me, You don't want anyone say that God always have been, & yet you try to make it sound as if something created God. That too don't hold no water. Therefore since you don't want anyone to say that God has always been, then I must stay with the scriptures where it tells me to avoid foolish questions, because no matter what anyone says, unless they agree with you word for word, you will be here all day asking this question. You need to title your question as tell me exactly what I believe

Answer 10

make it simple to picture big bang as an expansion of small spark of light