Hey Mormons: Are you planning to pay your respects to the victims of Mountain Meadows in on September11, 2007?

Question

Yup its that time. The 150 year anniversary of the Mormons bravest battle. When they took 150 prisoners off a wagon train they had forced into surrendering to them and shot all of them who were over the age of eight. That means women, kids over the age of eight (boys and girls), the wounded who survived the seige , and unarmed men. Then they stripped the dead of everything they had and stole all their property. (about 300 head of cattle and the wagons and supplies ect.) after a couple of years or so of being "cared for" by the Mormons , the Mormons finally got around to giving the 17 surviving kids back to their families in Arkansas.

When the Feds got wind of what happened, they investigated and set up a memorial at the site . When Brigham Young saw the memorial he said "Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little". What a kind , compassionate man.

When the Feds got done investigating, Brigham pinned everything on his ol' buddy John D. Lee (sealed to Brigham Young). Then he told Lee to go hide from the feds or else. The feds finally found him and Lee faced the firing squad at the Mountain Meadows site after giving a full confession which implicated about 100 other members of the church. They escaped Justice with the help of Brigham Young.

So today in the interest of "Political correctness" There will be a ceremony to commemorate this horrible crime on September , 11, 2007. I am sure the whole church will turn out to pay their respects to the the people who died. BTW John D. Lee was ex-communicated because of this but in 1961, he was posthumously reinstated with all priesthood blessings and sealings.

How many of you are planning to attend?

Source: Google Mountain Meadows

There may not be proof that Brigham Young ordered the hit, but he certainly was an accessory after the fact by failing to locate, arrest and bring to justice those responsible. That makes him an accesory after the fact.

Answer 1

From the AmericanHeritage.com: "Reconstructing some 18 different skulls from 2,605 pieces of bone from 28 victims, including women and children, the scientists produced the first physical evidence in a long and disputed history. The investigation “suggests the killing of women and children may have been more complicated than [in previous] accounts,” Dr. Novak wrote in her final study, presented last October to the Midwest Bioarchaeology and Forensic Anthropology Association. Among other revelations, the examinations disclosed that some of the victims, including several women and at least one child, had been killed while facing their executioners head-on, by point-blank gunshots between their eyes, rather than by being shot in the back while fleeing, as earlier accounts had claimed."

Good ol' mormon country boys, eh? Their ancestors are alive, the victims' obviously aren't.

Answer 2

Again, what should be the sorrow over a tragic event and focus on the victims, is blindsided by religious bashing. I find it disappointing that people so regularly use the anniversary of this sad event to focus on things and people other than those who suffered.

I see no point in placing blame anymore. We know most of those who were involved and God knows the remainder that we are unsure/unaware of. They are now dead and beyond our mortal courts. But God will judge them with perfection incomprehensible to us, and nothing we can say now will affect how they are judged because it is beyond us. Those who murdered will receive what they deserve. So will those who were victimized, which I hope is a better reward than that given to the former.

Would I have been involved in the massacre had I lived then? I certainly hope not, but I didn't experience what those early pioneers did and I can't know all the circumstances because I wasn't there and not everything is always written.

But as I am living now, I certainly hope that people will focus more on the victims. Such focus, an honor, belongs to them and not to those who perpetrated the tragedy. Murderers do not deserve such infamy.

Light a candle for the victims, and live to be a better person than those who harmed them. That is how I will pay my respects.

Answer 3

Hahahaha. The very first Sherlock Holmes story that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote, "The Sign of the Four", was concerning a flashback to events in the American West in a time when the Mormons were members of the fanatic Al Brighamyounga terrorists, particularly the "Guardian Angels" vigilantes. Holmes hears various stories from eyewitnesses, and [EDIT:] solves a revenge killing in England based on the pasts of characters an ocean away...


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Clearly Mormons were in a bad odor worldwide during their beginnings in Utah. This incident you speak of is a bad blot on the origins of the Mormon religion. If you want to start a religion, start it in a world of illiterates where no written accounts of what the founders were ACTUALLY doing will get out.

Founders of other religions like Jesus and Buddha were all sweetness and light. If Jesus' movement attracted hot-heads and an ear was lopped off with a sword in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus took up the ear and REPLACED IT FLAWLESSLY and asked pardon for the impetuous violence. What a great story! This Brigham Young doesn't sound like sweetness and light AT ALL!

Answer 4

Well, to complete the story, you should probably add a few things, such as the fact that the people were told BY BRIGHAM to leave that party alone. They went against his expressed orders to not draw any attention. Is that Brigham's fault? No!

Here are some websites that explains it all!! Maybe you will learn something from them!

Answer 5

I am not Mormon, but what is your source for the quotes of Brigham Young? I know that his Step-son was involved. Back then violence went both ways unfortunately there were many who were violent to Mormons as well. Not saying either is right but just saying you have to show both sides.

I also think you can hardly blame today's Mormon's for the sins of their fathers anymore than you can blame anyone for sins their ancestors committed. To do so is ludicrous.

Answer 6

This was a horrible tragedy. I have never thought Brigham Young was a good, honest man.

Answer 7

I don't know? Is anything going on in the area? Where can I find if something is being done?
Got proof that Brigham Young was involved? I need more than your word.

Answer 8

No matter who was responsible it is a tragedy; just like all the other pioneers headed west who were killed by religious fanatical groups or indians.

Answer 9

I am not Mormon,but thank you for this story.I have never heard it.Heart breaking .<><