Will anything change now global warming has been proved to be not sun-related or cyclical (see link)?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6290228.stm

DDT: Sorry, but you're wrong. 1998 and 2005 were both hotter than 1995.

Answer 1

The quality of right-wing anti-warming propaganda has been declining in recent years, and this new data will continue the trend. Don't expect to see a reduction in quantity, however. The political argument has become divorced from observational fact.

bobby t: There are actually very few climate scientists who still deny the reality of anthropogenic global warming. See this link:

Answer 2

It's not really an issue of whether the planet is in a warming phase. The issue is whether we contributed to all of it, some of it or none of it. Partisan politics being what it is, there is generally polarity in such matters because I don't think we see in shades of gray like we should.
It's happening, the earth is getting warmer, the CO2 is rising along with other greenhouse gases. But......there is well documented research on the climate cycles the earth has already endured, from ice core sampling in Antartica and archeology. There was a period just before the emergence of the dynosaurs where the earth saw a dramatic increase in the concentrations of CO2 which resulted in the extinction of all but 85% of the worlds species of plant and animals. There was also a coincidence of decreasing mean animal mass in this period.
I think we fall somewhere in the gray area, we contributed some but not all to the warming cycle. Greenhouse gases aren't all that is at fault, deforestation is another culprit generally overlooked. The earth has the ability to right almost all that is wrong with itself, but we have to let it do it's job and we're reducing it's ability to do so.
If the trends continue the earth has a wild card to play though,... the gulfstream. If this is slowed, altered, or stopped by desalination caused by the melting poles we could slowly fall into a cooling phase. Winters could be longer, with more snow which reflects sunlight and cools the planet.
Yes it's a crisis, because of the impacts; extinction of animals and disappearance of coastlines, reefs and aquatic ecosystems, but all can and will be reversed either by us or mother nature. It also take a very long time for some of these changes to occur so our myopic public body most likely won't care.
Not everyone is friends with a polar bear so why would everyone care that they'll be extinct in the wild in less than a decade.
Snack on that!

Answer 3

Then what caused previous warmings when there was no industry? No one can explain why the Earth warmed at the end of the Ice Age 10,500 yrs ago or why it cooled and then warmed again about the yr 1000 or why it cooled drastically in medieval times? Those were natural, so why can't the present warming be almost entirely natural and a trend we cannot stop even if we were to live as the cavemen. Perhaps we speed it up by a tiny percentage, but it will happen anyway. If proven what is not causing warming, then there should be proof of what caused previous warmings and if so then, why not now?

I distrust the Leftist politicians whose main motive is power and who try to silence all opposing views. I am opposed to a dirty environment too and support using less energy, planting trees and such, but not if it costs more and lowers my standard of living. I am a conserving Conservative.

Answer 4

NASA study differs. Even thought it is from 2003, it is still valid.

"Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits, during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study."

This is how the global warming supporters operate. They know that the Sun is what the skeptics site the most, so they put out a bogus study to stop the moment of the skeptics position. In the future their study will prove to be wrong.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Geez, I hope so.

I found this article earlier this morning, and I'm hoping that the people who wish to deny the reality of human activity caused global warming at least read it.

I could find no evidence anywhere of "who funded the study" like someone asked above. But I did find other papers written by Mike Lockwood. His resume is quite long, and it all deals with solar particles and planetary magnetic fields. His agenda is to study the sun, not so much global warming, so it's safe to say that the data is valid and not of a political nature.

Additionally, this study was a joint effort by the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.

Even the global warming conspiracy theorists are going to have to admit that Al Gore had nothing to do with this, and since the study was done in the UK and Switzerland, they are going to be hard pressed to prove that it was done in an effort to raise US taxes.

Unfortunately, my feeling is that most of the people on this site who argue against global warming are just bullies trying to get a rise out of the people who actually read and believe the science.

So, to answer your question, I think some people will never change. But, I believe this article will hopefully influence people who are genuinely open to the debate and who are genuinely concerned about our planet.

Answer 7

I would hope so. Even the current administration has held emergency meetings on this, although it wasn't BIG in the news. Searching for alternate sources of energy, etc. There was a conf. re: this with top scientists, etc. We have to do what we can as individuals but ultimately some of the bigger players HAVE to step up to the plate and take action. Believe in global warming or don't but do we really want to take the chance? And frankly, I believe the calendar is on the high side. It will happen a lot sooner.

Answer 8

Okay, here's how I see it. Both sides are politicizing the issue more than they should, but what's really reprehensible is that the anti-environmentalists are using their refusal to believe in global warming as an excuse to refuse to change any of their irresponsible and planet-harming ways. Whether you believe in global warming or not should be virtually irrelevant. There are other indisputable reasons why we need to reduce emissions. Here in Phoenix, and in other major metropolitan areas, we frequently have ozone advisories, warning even healthy active adults to stay inside or minimize their outdoor activities. In case you don't know, most ozone comes from car exhaust fumes, power plants and other man-made sources of nitrous oxides. Will people have to start dropping dead in the streets before the extremists recognize that unhealthy air is a bad thing?

Answer 9

John, beware of your sources. Even some (global warming) scientists will lie if their continued funding is dependent upon it. Once they've stepped onto that slippery slope, there's no turning back.

There will soon come a time when leftist governments will pass laws making it a felony to express an opinion that there is no global warming. Such act will be right up there with denying the holocost if German, or worse, denying Allah if muslim. Global Warming is the new mantra for the global communists wanting total control over your life and money.

Answer 10

First of all, if only one or two studies show that the sun's cosmic output is decreasing, then that is not a valid, repeatable scientific experiment, as of yet. Also, the atmosphere is still deteriorating at an ever increasin rate; (think the pollution being carried westward from China, addittionally) furthermore, the phenomenon of global dimming, absorbing and therefore not allowing solar radiation in in certain geographic locations creates a shift in air density, pressure and even wind patterns; shifting global climate, change trends even further... resulting in some areas becoming warmer from the air being carried by changing shifts in winds as aforementioned, stratocumulous cloud formation changes affecting rainfall and ofcourse the melting polar ice caps.
For sometime now, scientists have been concerned with the possibility that the sun's cosmic ray output is actually decreasing, which if continually confirmed from the appropriate experiments, will pose still greater concerns for the global climate change pandemic, if you will.
However, what we are witnessing here and now and have projected in the near furure from the data collected, remains extremely accurate and verifiable.