Pakistan's Red Mosque?

Question

Good to see that the Pakistan forces are ruthless. It's about time that our police took the same stance.

Why won't our police be as ruthless in serving justice in hte UK?

Answer 1

they should come and lock you up by the sound of it!!!!!!!

Answer 2

I think the police would be just as ruthless if this happened in UK remember this had gone on for some time.

The issue her and in most of the Muslim far east seems to be, who rules the Country the religious police or the government You will notice that I did not say elected gov.'cos I do not think in this case it was

Answer 3

Police and Army can not be expected to be non-violent They have to maintain Law and Order in the country. Chaos results if there is no restraint. Police in UK have their hands tied up behind their backs by the Politicians. The Jails are full up. Criminal Prosecution Service (CPS) have very lax standards and the criminals know this. The actual fault is with the Government. And because it is Democracy the people are at fault - they elected the Government . The people have to fight to bring about tough standards. Hanging for murder is justified. Please read below:

721117BG.HYD Lectures
antavanta ime deha
nityasyoktah saririnah
anasino 'prameyasya
tasmad yudhyasva bharata


Yuddha, fighting, Arjuna was ksatriya. It is his duty. Because here, in this material world, violence is also required. Violence. Because everyone is competitor, everyone is trying to become the Supreme, so there will be violence. Just like in your state, at the present moment, there is violence because one party is trying to become Supreme than the other. That is going on everywhere, all over the world, the struggle for existence. Everyone is trying to become supreme than the other. So there must be violence. So expecting that there will be violence, the ksatriya class required. Just like in the state, expecting that there will be violence, therefore the police department is maintained, the military department is maintained. So you cannot avoid violence from this material world. It is useless proposal. Our Mahatma Gandhi tried to stop violence. He started the nonviolence movement, but factually he had to die by violence. So ksatriya, they are trained up violent to become violent to stop violence. That is required. Therefore Krsna advises that "Don't try to become nonviolent because..." Tasmad yudhyasva bharata. "Don't think that by killing the body, your grandfather, or your nephews and your brother on the other side, they will be finished. No. They'll live. The body may be destroyed." Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. But actual soul, he'll transmigrate. According to Vedic philosophy, if a ksatriya dies in proper fighting, then he is immediately transferred to the heavenly planet, the heavenly planet. Because he sacrifices his body for right cause.

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So ksatriya cannot be nonviolent. It is not possible. Violence is also required to keep the social system strictly in order. Just like the government has violence department, the police department, the military department. That is required to keep up the society in order.

Answer 4

Courts serve justice, police serve the public.
Try looking up justice in a dictionary, I think you'll find you don't know what it means.

Answer 5

if pakistan doesn't seem to be making any effort then the u.s , britain and other countries will stop giving aid and stop trading with them, could they afford that?!

Answer 6

Because their hands are tied by "do-gooders" and fat-cat lawyers who insist on upholding the so-called human rights of criminals and terrorists

Answer 7

One of the saddest event took place in the form of the Lal Masjid operation, both sides done mistakes:

Lal Masjid leaders mistakes:

1-Lal Masjid leaders was making Allah’s home as kidnapping place, which is anti-Islamic.
2- Lal Masjid leaders announced jihad without the permission of the government, which is not Islamic.
3- Lal Masjid leaders tried to made state within state, which is again not Islamic.
4- Lal Masjid leaders wanted the escape route from their crimes, which is again not Islamic.

For Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal & for leaders like Lal Masjid:

Believers, uphold justice. Always bear true witness, even if it be against yourself, your parents, or your relatives—and regardless of whether the person against whom you are speaking is rich or poor. God is close to people regardless of their material circumstances. Do not be led by emotion, as this may cause you to swerve from the truth. If you distort your testimony, or refuse to testify, remember that God is aware of all your actions.
-Qur'an, An-Nisa, Surah 4:135
Tell all people to read and understand it between the lines, IT MEANS IF A PERSON WHO HAS BEARED DONE MISTAKE WITH A NON-MUSLIM WILL HAVE TO PAY THE PENALTY,
Allah call himself as “ RAAB-UL-ALAMEEN “ means “ MAKER OF THE UNIVERSE “(Means Maker of everything in the Universe) and call Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as “REHMAT-UL-ALAMEEN” means “ BLESSING FOR THE UNIVERSE “(Not only 4 Muslims but 4 everything in the Universe).
5- Lal Masjid leaders lied so many times, e.g.: At first they absolutely denied about weapons any sort of weapons, then at least they retreated from that position after killing a ranger & the operation started. Which is again not Islamic.
6- Lal Masjid leaders change their stance so many times. Which is again not Islamic.
Now government or in reality President Musharraf blunders:
1- President let the problem escalate unimaginable, e.g.: i-Kidnapping not only of foreigners but also of Police men now tell me which government in the world could forgive it, but Pakistani government did, ii-capturing library, iii- Doing constructions without government permission.
2- I heard on Geo news the conversation between Tariq Azim and Lal Masjid leader, where Tariq Azim categorically said “YES” to foreigners issue, then why Tariq Azim who is democratically elected person’s “YES” was kicked out by dictator President Musharraf, I think president Bush must have made a phone call to him.
3- When government was holding its troops outside of the Lal Masjid for 8 days then why all of a sudden one of the government negotiator after changing the deal courtesy President Musharraf said you just have 15 minutes to agree.
4- Government or in reality President Musharraf certainly could have beat Lal Masjid leaders on the basis of religion, since Lal Masjid leaders case on how to implement ISLAM was very very weak. But President Musharraf thought otherwise.
5- After hearing that conversation between Tariq Azim and Lal Masjid leader, I think the whole responsibility of the ONE OF THE SADDEST INCIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN is now on President Musharraf. If Tariq Azim had no importane then if President Musharraf was sincere should have talked to Masjid leader directly, but proud,uppish,haughty President Musharraf did not, now tell me what it indicates?
After hearing that conversation between Tariq Azim and Lal Masjid leader, It became evident that those ulemas who went inside for talks were either not listening the conversation or they had problems with hearing, since they said foreigners issue was not raised.
And to me all who died either rangers or and Lal Masjid rebels both are SHAHEED, since there were confusions who was right & who is not, but President Musharraf is the true culprit.

May Allah help & guide us all, Amen’.

Answer 8

your kidding ..lots of innocents were harmed ..would wish my gov would try and put me first ..and not be gun ho and not be .... got to teach them(the crims) a lesson and sorry your expendable gees

Answer 9

I live in the U.S.. And i hope it never comes to this in my country. I really don't think most Muslims can live in a democratic state.

Here's an interesting website made up of ex-Muslims. They say "Islam is similar to faschism. And they will use democracy to help destroy it." (quote from their website)

Answer 10

because they are scared of being called racists.