Atheists that ask... who created God...?

Question

I suppose you would agree that creationists believe that everything came from God but... they cannot explain where God came from. Tell me, if you knew that God came from 'X' then would you want to know where 'X' came from? Then if you were told that 'X' came from 'Y' would you not then ask where 'Y' came from? We could go on for hours! Then you would ask that it has all got to start from somewhere?! And that is where I would be happy to rest with GOD. I wonder what you have to say about that? Lets see if you've got the bottle to answer this without fumbling?

Answer 1

If the Universe can 'neither be created...', why do atheists assume God had to have been created?

It is a scientific impossibility to get something from nothing, there MUST have been something before the Big Bang. As the asker says, we could go on and on saying this came from this and that came from that. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that something intelligent caused the Big Bang.

Answer 2

A common objection to the "Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) hypothesis" is the problem of how FSM came to be. If everything has a cause, why does FSM get an exception? The problem with such reasoning is that it assumes that time has always existed. In reality, time is a construct of this universe. FSM who exists outside the time constraints of the universe is not subject to cause and effect. So, the idea that FSM has always existed and is not caused follows logically from the fact that the universe and time itself was created at the Big Bang. Pastafarians makes these exact claims - that FSM has always existed and that FSM created time, along with the entire universe, being described as an expanding universe. Why can't the universe be uncaused? Of course, it is possible that the universe is uncaused. However, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that contradicts that idea So, an atheist who claims to live by logic and evidence cannot arbitrarily assign eternity to a universe that is clearly temporal. FSM is the one true god. (Prove he's not!) RAmen.

Answer 3

Hey Rico,

I can't add much more than my learned colleagues have already stated. You should spend some time with their answers as you are the beneficiary of their insight and intelligence.

Is it not better to place a question mark upon a problem while seeking an answer than to put the label "God" there and consider the matter closed?
— Joseph Lewis, (1889-1968)

Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do.
— James Harvey Robinson, (1863-1936)

Science offers us an explanation of how complexity (the difficult) arose out of simplicity (the easy). The hypothesis of God offers no worthwhile explanation for anything, for it simply postulates what we are trying to explain. It postulates the difficult to explain, and leaves it at that. We cannot prove that there is no God, but we can safely conclude the He is very, very improbable indeed."
— Richard Dawkins

The only way we can determine the true age of the earth is for God to tell us what it is. And since He has told us, very plainly, in the Holy Scriptures that it is several thousand years in age, and no more, that ought to settle all basic questions of terrestrial chronology.
— Henry Morris, President of the Institute for Creation Research, 1974

God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
— Edward Abbey

Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate.
— F. M. Knowles

Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers.
— Bruce Calvert

Belief means not wanting to know what is true.
— Nietzche,

If you don't think that logic is a good method for determining what to believe, make an attempt to convince me of that without using logic. No one has even bothered to try yet.
— Brett Lemoine

Nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.
— Marilyn Manson

Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues.
— Edward Abbey

The invisible and nonexistent look much alike.
— Delos B. McKown

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.
— Isaac Asimov

Throughout the early Christian period, every great calamity - famine, earthquake, and plague - led to mass conversions, another indirect influence by which epidemic diseases contributed to the destruction of classical civilization. Christianity owes a formidable debt to bubonic plague and to smallpox, no less than to earthquake and volcanic eruptions.
— Hans Zinsser

Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.
— Karl Marx

Answer 4

Point 1 is that scientists cannot explain how everything came out of nothing either; so you shouldn't feel too smug on that point!

Point 2 seeing as no-one was there at the beginning it's pretty hard for any human to explain it, especially as we have such teeny tiny brains and can only comprehend such a miniscule part about what Life in its totality is all about.

Point 3 therefore many people have developed their own scientific and religious opinions due to the above two points, and who's to say what is right, and does it really matter anyway? I don't think it matters and we should just get on with living and getting on better with each other.

Finally, my own opinion is that God in the sense of the Being that is the Source of all that exists is 'uncreated' as this was the very first consciousness that evolved out of the random Chaos of spinning swirling quantum 'Nothing', and when this happened 'time' began, so before this point 'time' didn't exist, and only random 'Nothing' existed. Afterwhich the Being we call God brought order to the Chaos of Nothing literally with the power of thought (because the Being was immaterial) and all that existed became God, and steadily Life began in all its complexity. Okay?

Answer 5

I don't think you realise it, but you have really explained why your faith is misplaced.

Creationists, and their undercover squad the ID mob, cannot accept evolution and believe that something had to create what they see in the world. If that is a rational position, then it is also rational to expect that there had to be something that created a god, and so on, just like you say. You have to judge a believers position and an atheists position by the same standard.

It is not the atheist that fumbles in trying to answer your question; it is you that has fumbled in asking it. Your position is intrinsically flawed. I doubt that you will see my point though.

Answer 6

The issue here is complexity. The more complex a system the more possibilities it has to be otherwise. The problem with the God hypothesis is it presuposes a fundamental extremely complex system which is irrational. I agree something is fundamental but it must be simple not complex. The obvious candidate for something which is tautologically simple and necessary is Mathematics not a complex creator God.

Mathematics does not create the universe however. Mathematics is the universe.

Our understanding of reality is layered. You see the world in terms of large physical objects. But you are aware that those are illusions made up of atoms, and atoms in turn are made of smaller particles. Many believe that these so called "fundamental" particles are not fundamental but are built on a layer of mathematics.

The reason why we see top layers instead of lower layers is due to our inability to see all of the the details in the lower layers.

Answer 7

In general, the atheist response of 'who created God' is in response to the theist assertion that something must have created the Big Bang, and therefore there must be a God.

The atheist is happy to rest with the Big Bang, without going back further. It's the theist argument that postulates the additional, unneccessary step.

Answer 8

That is *exactly* the reason that we don't buy the Prime Mover hypothesis. You avoid the infinite regress problem by fiat; your god is always exempt from everything. Well, perhaps you're so easily satisfied, but atheists don't consider that an explanation. It's a cop-out.

"Well, isn't that just too easy!" --Richard Dawkins

We atheists may not know where the universe came from, but at least we don't pretend that we do.

Answer 9

I am happy to rest with the lord god.He guides us through bad times and forgives us when we reject him.Athiests don't believe in god and therefore they have to prove they are right and find another sloloution to the real one.Wich keeps us christians sane.Why wonder where this and that came from when we know?It came from that very day on day1 where got made the first thing.Thats all we need to know.And even if i am miskaten along with many other believers we still don't need to know.Let secret things be left secrets.But still im happier than ever to believe that it starts with god. x

Answer 10

I think that God was created by the big bang because God could not create the big bang because he wouldn't have the time since time didn't exist before the big bang unless the big bang was created by a previous, collapsing universe which would mean that it would probably be another previous existing God coming into existance after a previous big bang........Sorry! I'm talking bollocks.