Why don't Christians "logically" answer questions about Christ & the God of Creation? Is it ignorant faith?

Question

Reference my other question: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkEKCKlUrpeJpIWh18uMUZzsy6IX?qid=20070711012248AAzBxjE

I can prove, within the first sentence of the Bible, that the "Hebrew God of Creation" is NOT the "Christian God of Creation." I guarantee that Christ, a Hebrew, neither taught nor believed in creation as most current Christians do.

So who is the Christian God? Is He a pleasant, illogical fable, built upon the memory of a great man, who is now as radically followed by Christians as Muhammad is by Muslims?

Speak logically, Christians ... my Christian friends won't talk to me about this because they have no answer. They revert to ranting about misinterpretations and misunderstandings, and fall back upon ignorant faith in a God that doesn't exist - as PROVED by Hebrew texts.

Within the first verse of the Bible I discredit the Christian view of the God of Creation. Christians? What say ye?

Actually answer this question logically (most won't - you can't).

I'm not arguing about faith!!! LOL!!! I'm acknowledging your IGNORANT faith in a God that you don't understand!

OMG!!! Answer the question! Do you realize how ignorant Christians seem to those who understand the Hebrew God?

You speak of a faith that supposedly has its origins in Hebrew belief, but you have no concept of the Hebrew God. This isn't a question about faith ... It's a question about logic ... And, as usual, Christians have no logical response, and must fall back on radical, ignorant, unfounded faith.

Can't you see your ignorance?

Let me put it this way ... Jews, never convert. Take a good look at this hijacked religion, and stick with the truth ... They don't understand THEIR god, not to mention the TRUE God.

DETAILS???? LOOK at my other question ... ALL the details are there.

Here's the other question, for those who care to answer LOGICALLY ... LOL!!!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkEKCKlUrpeJpIWh18uMUZzsy6IX?qid=20070711012248AAzBxjE

Answer 1

First, even though I am not a christian in the sense that people understand the term today, I would like to answer your question. Jesus gave us the correct account of creation in The Apocryphon of John which the christian church tried to destroy. It has only been discovered, interpreted, and published in the last 50 years. this one text clearly demonstrates that the early followers of Jesus had a much different faith than what is practiced by people today. According to Jesus int this text the god of creation in Genesis is satan, not God. Here then is evidence from Jesus that corroborates your claim that Jesus did not believe in the account given to us by Moses. Trying to combine the evil Hebrew god of the o.t. with the God of Jesus in the n.t. is what causes all the confusion we observe in christianity today. Good and evil never will mix. The end result is people cherry picking and misinterpreting verses out of books that were inspired by an unholy spirit.

Answer 2

Well, I'm not a Christian, but I'd be happy to point out the flaws in your question. Let's start with:

"I guarantee that Christ, a Hebrew, neither taught nor believed in creation as most current Christians do."

No you can't, unless you have somehow found an authenticated letter written by Jesus detailing exactly what he believed. If so, bring it.

Or how about:

"I can prove, within the first sentence of the Bible, that the "Hebrew God of Creation" is NOT the "Christian God of Creation"

All you've "shown" is that Christians and Hebrews have slightly different view on what "God" did. You didn't prove they were different gods.

An optimist may look at a glass and say it's half full, while a pessimist might say it's half empty. Different view, but it's the same glass (Well, maybe not, but that's a different arguement).

And then again:

"Within the first verse of the Bible I discredit the Christian view of the God of Creation"

No, you didn't. You showed that Christian text and Hebrew text differ. That does nothing to discredit the Christian view.

Seriously, for someone who demands a logical answer, you make a lot of leaps of "logic." It makes you sound like someone who is more interested in bringing down Christianity than actually finding truth.

Do us all a favor and think things through a little bit more next time

Answer 3

Because just as atheism and any other religion (that's right, "other" religion) requires faith, it is at the core of Christianity as well. There are some things that can be answered logically and some that can't, as is the case with anything you believe. For instance, note the classic question of the beginning of macroevolution: Where did the combustible gas, or whatever they are explaining it as now, that created out of nothing come from? It is usually at this point that evolutionists bash creationists for being ignorant, but tend to beat around the bush and avoid the question. The reason is because it also takes faith to believe in macroevolution, but they realize that by admitting that they can no longer ridicule religious folk as illogical.

Answer 4

Many Christians believe in a "gap" theory.
#1--- v. 1-Original creation made perfect and inhabited.
#2---Gap--Earth made chaos: end of earth's first perfect state because of Lucifer's rebellion=overthrow of "the earth that then was" (see 2 Pet. 3:5-8; Jer. 4:23-26)
#3---v. 3--"earth was without form"-tohu va bohu=waste and empty.


I can't fully explain it here, but there is a period of time between Genesis 1:1 and1:2--where a pre-Adamic world existed, and was destroyed because of Lucifers rebellion. (Which explains how the earth could be millions of years old as scientists say.) Job 38:4-7 makes it clear that the heavens were created first else the stars could not have rejoiced when the earth was created. Proof that v. 1 refers to the prior acts of God and the verses which follow refer to the earth under a flood and judgement, and then restored to a second habitable state, as before the curse of verse 2.
There is much more on the subject than I have time to write here. Hope this helps.

Answer 5

"Faith" is a belief in things unseen. Theologians and other scholars have been debating the "logical" proof of religions for ages. "Proving" it here is irrelevant. You won't change anything. Your "proofs" come across as nothing more than rants. Use all that energy for something positive in your life, rather than trying to make Christians feel silly for believing in something they hold in high regard.
God Bless =)


EDIT:: "Jews NEVER convert" that was your statement. And, yes, they do. They can convert to any religion they choose, just like anyone else. There are also what are called "completed Jews" .. Jews who believe in Christ. As for the Hebrew God, Jewish bibles and the old testament in our Bible are pretty much the same...same God. I don't understand the confusion here. Many Jews still follow the laws of the Old Testament. God is seen as an angry and jealous God and sacrifices were made regularly. Jesus came as the "suffering Messiah" ... he paid our debts when he sacrificed himself. This freed us from many of the old laws. How, then, is not the same God? The Hebrew God as you call Him?

Answer 6

Your interpretation may be correct. I won't argue that particular point. My question back to you is this, what difference does that obversation make in the big scheme of things?

I fail to see the importance of defining how the world or universe was created. The basis of Christianity, IMHO, is that we are to love God and to love one another as Jesus taught us.

The rest of the stuff, ie the creation of the world, I'll leave to those who want to argue evolution and creationism, Christianity and atheism, Hebrew and Muslim. My logic tells me I have better things to do with my time than argue about that stuff!

Answer 7

Hi there,
I am a Christian, non-denominational, and
a teacher, but not of the Bible, but of the original MANUSCRIPTS of the Bible.

The Manuscripts do NOT say that the Earth is 6000 years old, but rather that it is eons in age, and that in fact, there was an entire earth age before the one we live in now.
A person can read of all three Earth ages in Second Peter, Chapter 3. The problem is,
that Churches do not have a teacher on staff who can handle the manuscripts OR the languages. Thats a real problem, because what you end up with is the Churches teaching the same congregation
for 30 years about baptism, salvation, and love thy neighbor. Milk for baby Christians, and never the meat of Gods Word that is to strengthen and grow the person into a useful vessel in Gods plan.

The very first verse in Genesis, being "In the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth" - people assume that the verses that follow would be the description of that creation - THEY AREN'T. Far from it.
What they are reading of, is God rejuvinating an already-created Earth, to ready it for flesh life, in this Second Earth Age. It was in the First earth age that Satan rebelled and took with him a great number of our people. God destroyed that age, not the earth, not the terrafirma, just the Age.
The Earth was left still for an untold vast number of years. God decreed that instead of killing those who followed Satan, that he would have each soul come thru this flesh age one time, born of woman, to make an ultimate decision of who they would choose to follow. In order that the plan work, two things had to be true:
First, God would promise not to interfere with the free will decisions of man in the individual life, and second, we needed a comparitor, since there isn't any use in choosing between good and good, so Satan is our comparitor.

Anyway, back to the question. In the first sentence of Genesis, the word utilized is
Bara, prounouced "baw-raw", and you can find it in a Strongs Concordance, it is #1254 in the Hebrew Dictionary, and is defined as follows:
"a prime root: to create; to cut down (as wood); select, feed, as formative processes, choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (as fat)."

That is what is in the manuscripts, and that is exactly what was utilized for "created" in the first line of Genesis. However, its the rest of it that people stumble on; There is an entire earth age within that first verse.
The following verses are Not the first creation, but the rejuvination of the Earth after what is called the Katabole, or the "overthrow of Satan".
I hope this is helpful to you; I do not know who told you that the word Create was not utilized as "create", but I have spent 30 years of my life learning all three Biblical languages, and I can assure you it means "create". I back it up with the Biblical Hebrew Dictionary as it lines up with the original manuscripts in the Hebrew, so that you can check it out for yourself.

Answer 8

Well.....logically...Genesis was written before anything in the New Testament. The Old Testament in the Torah, the Hebrew text studied by the Jewish people and the foundation of Judaism. Into this religion Jesus Christ was born. Until this point, the history of Judaism had become very important. It was how the text itself was studied. So......logically......the Hebrew God is the one also referred to in the New Testament. Logically.... they are one and the same.

When Jesus Christ began to study scripture, he interpreted God's Word not into only ritual or historical doctrine, but into living, breathing practical application. His miracles were God's Words put into action. (edit: This is the foundation of Christianity.)

Playing word games is hardly a productive pastime. Particularly with God's Word. Your Christian friends may not wish to discuss this with you because you are out to discredit them. Somehow strikes me as counter productive and.....illogical.

Answer 9

You answered your question already, they can't.

But you also made the contention that you can logically answer questions about your God.

This is not at all true, because there is not empirical evidence for the existence of God. Therefore if there is no evidence, then all 'logical' answers about God are really faith based, just like the Christian answers.

Religion is all about belief in the unprovable, it is all faith, and all illogical.

Answer 10

The whole thing is based on faith, so using words like "logic" and "prove" isn't really going to make any difference. As for calling them ignorant, that just wastes your time and only makes them mad.